Jo Neyskens Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 Last week I was able to purchase a (hopefully) original surrey top. How should you mount the backlight? Remove aluminum frames? Does the back cover come under the backlight? Do all rubbers have to be replaced? The rubber between the backlight and the body is not included. Where can I buy it? Thanks for the info :)!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Motorsport Mickey Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 Hi Joe, The rear deck alloy trims which cover up the rear of cockpit edge need removing. Access is sometimes tight (especially if you fitted the alloy firewall I keep recommending behind the fibreboard in front of the petrol tank) but the nuts are accessible from underneath the rear deck. If you have a TR4a when you place the rear backlight over the rear deck edge you'll find the 2nd backlight stud each side doesn't have anything to go into on the rear deck ! The 4a and 5 models with the larger frames for the hood needed that area to fold into, and so the forward arm sections of the rear deck are "scalloped" out in that area such that the second stud in the backlight will miss the top edge and fit inside the cockpit. Most owners neatly (some are more successful than others) hacksaw off the second studs as high into the backlight as they are able which allows the backframe to then sit onto the rear deck edging. The furflex edging will need additional pieces to fit onto and across the backlight or the whole section replacing in one. Stuart will be along shortly having done dozens of these and will confirm the best purchasers for said trim. Mick Richards Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jo Neyskens Posted October 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 40 minutes ago, Motorsport Mickey said: Hi Joe, The rear deck alloy trims which cover up the rear of cockpit edge need removing. Access is sometimes tight (especially if you fitted the alloy firewall I keep recommending behind the fibreboard in front of the petrol tank) but the nuts are accessible from underneath the rear deck. If you have a TR4a when you place the rear backlight over the rear deck edge you'll find the 2nd backlight stud each side doesn't have anything to go into on the rear deck ! The 4a and 5 models with the larger frames for the hood needed that area to fold into, and so the forward arm sections of the rear deck are "scalloped" out in that area such that the second stud in the backlight will miss the top edge and fit inside the cockpit. Most owners neatly (some are more successful than others) hacksaw off the second studs as high into the backlight as they are able which allows the backframe to then sit onto the rear deck edging. The furflex edging will need additional pieces to fit onto and across the backlight or the whole section replacing in one. Stuart will be along shortly having done dozens of these and will confirm the best purchasers for said trim. Mick Richards Hi Mick, thanks for the info. It is an early TR4 (1962). Is it different than a TR4a? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Motorsport Mickey Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 Hi Joe, Yes the TR4 was the original fitment for the Surrey and it's backlight. The forward arms for the TR4 are wider in the area of the second fixing, the first fixing is a threaded stud which screws into the top of the B post and a nut used to fix it down, and it has a small shaped (maybe 8" tall by 3" wide) plate which tucks into the window rubber trim hiding the screw and nut from view. The second stud fits into it's hole in the wider forward arm area (the TR4 has the the skinny rib build it yourself hood with emaciated sticks which doesn't need the extra scallop out of the forward arm) so you don't have to cut it, and then it's followed by all the other studs through their respective holes around the backlight. Mick Richards Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jo Neyskens Posted October 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 21 minutes ago, Motorsport Mickey said: Hi Joe, Yes the TR4 was the original fitment for the Surrey and it's backlight. The forward arms for the TR4 are wider in the area of the second fixing, the first fixing is a threaded stud which screws into the top of the B post and a nut used to fix it down, and it has a small shaped (maybe 8" tall by 3" wide) plate which tucks into the window rubber trim hiding the screw and nut from view. The second stud fits into it's hole in the wider forward arm area (the TR4 has the the skinny rib build it yourself hood with emaciated sticks which doesn't need the extra scallop out of the forward arm) so you don't have to cut it, and then it's followed by all the other studs through their respective holes around the backlight. Mick Richards Ok, thanks Mick!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Geko Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 As the glass rubber seal looks alright, I humbly suggest NOT to remove the glass for painting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Salisbury Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 Not sure about a 4 but the captive nuts under the rear deck of a 4A have to be drilled out to accept the studs of the Surrey frame. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted October 27, 2020 Report Share Posted October 27, 2020 13 hours ago, Rob Salisbury said: Not sure about a 4 but the captive nuts under the rear deck of a 4A have to be drilled out to accept the studs of the Surrey frame. Not fitted to a 4 originally. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Motorsport Mickey Posted October 27, 2020 Report Share Posted October 27, 2020 26 minutes ago, stuart said: Not fitted to a 4 originally. Stuart. Thought not, not on mine. Stuart can you recommend the best supplier for the Furflex or rubber door trim, and how much to go around the windscreen and then the Surry backlight and frame, am I right in thinking 6 metre ? Mick Richards Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted October 27, 2020 Report Share Posted October 27, 2020 28 minutes ago, Motorsport Mickey said: Thought not, not on mine. Stuart can you recommend the best supplier for the Furflex or rubber door trim, and how much to go around the windscreen and then the Surry backlight and frame, am I right in thinking 6 metre ? Mick Richards I.use this for door seals https://www.woolies-trim.co.uk/product/1285/door-seal Then this for furflex https://www.woolies-trim.co.uk/product/996/plush-snappon-edge-trim-black Then the Moss seal for the sides and outside edge of the roof of the Surrey Numbers 5 and 38 here https://www.moss-europe.co.uk/shop-by-model/triumph/tr2-4a/weather-equipment/hard-tops/surrey-top-fittings-tr4-4a-1961-67.html Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Salisbury Posted October 27, 2020 Report Share Posted October 27, 2020 Hi Mick, You need just under 7 metres to go right round in one go, and I used the slightly larger 139A BLK, a bit more expensive but it looks even more "Plush"!!, though the original sort of double stacked trim that Triumph supplied is not available anywhere. Cheers Rob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Motorsport Mickey Posted October 27, 2020 Report Share Posted October 27, 2020 Thanks Rob, it certainly eats up the lengths going around the frames and doors ! Mick Richards Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jo Neyskens Posted October 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 9:35 PM, Geko said: As the glass rubber seal looks alright, I humbly suggest NOT to remove the glass for painting. Here are some pics from the surrey What do you think? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jo Neyskens Posted October 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 11:52 AM, stuart said: I.use this for door seals https://www.woolies-trim.co.uk/product/1285/door-seal Then this for furflex https://www.woolies-trim.co.uk/product/996/plush-snappon-edge-trim-black Then the Moss seal for the sides and outside edge of the roof of the Surrey Numbers 5 and 38 here https://www.moss-europe.co.uk/shop-by-model/triumph/tr2-4a/weather-equipment/hard-tops/surrey-top-fittings-tr4-4a-1961-67.html Stuart. Thanks for the info!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jo Neyskens Posted October 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 11:52 AM, stuart said: I.use this for door seals https://www.woolies-trim.co.uk/product/1285/door-seal Then this for furflex https://www.woolies-trim.co.uk/product/996/plush-snappon-edge-trim-black Then the Moss seal for the sides and outside edge of the roof of the Surrey Numbers 5 and 38 here https://www.moss-europe.co.uk/shop-by-model/triumph/tr2-4a/weather-equipment/hard-tops/surrey-top-fittings-tr4-4a-1961-67.html Stuart. Do you think it's an original surrey? I think so but I'm not sure Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Geko Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 very much so Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grahamgl Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 Sorry to intrude on this thread but are the fixing studs removable/replaceable? Thanks Graham Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 16 minutes ago, Grahamgl said: Sorry to intrude on this thread but are the fixing studs removable/replaceable? Thanks Graham Not really unfortunately. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 47 minutes ago, Jo Neyskens said: Do you think it's an original surrey? I think so but I'm not sure Yes a very original Surrey and a nice find. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grahamgl Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 Stuart, Thanks for the reply. One of the studs on my back light has either broken or been cut short. How would you deal with that please? Graham Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jo Neyskens Posted October 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, stuart said: Yes a very original Surrey and a nice find. Stuart. A few weeks ago I was able to purchase this for 400 € from an enthusiast. I've been looking for this one for a year. There is some work to do to but the price is ok I think. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Jo Neyskens said: A few weeks ago I was able to purchase this for 400 € from an enthusiast. I've been looking for this one for a year. There is some work to do to but the price is ok I think. You stole that, they nominally make around £1500 here! Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jo Neyskens Posted October 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 Just now, Jo Neyskens said: A few weeks ago I was able to purchase this for 400 € from an enthusiast. I've been looking for this one for a year. There is some work to do to but the price is ok I think. Just now, Jo Neyskens said: A few weeks ago I was able to purchase this for 400 € from an enthusiast. I've been looking for this one for a year. There is some work to do to but the price is ok I think. Just now, Jo Neyskens said: A few weeks ago I was able to purchase this for 400 € from an enthusiast. I've been looking for this one for a year. There is some work to do to but the price is ok I think. The enthusiast was especially interested in Ford Mustang and other brands. I don't think he knew this was special. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, Grahamgl said: Stuart, Thanks for the reply. One of the studs on my back light has either broken or been cut short. How would you deal with that please? Graham If its the first one back on the side then it will probably have been cut off to fit a 4a/5 if its another across the rear you may be able to carefully drill it out and helicoil a new one in. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jo Neyskens Posted October 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 1 minute ago, stuart said: If its the first one back on the side then it will probably have been cut off to fit a 4a/5 if its another across the rear you may be able to carefully drill it out and helicoil a new one in. Stuart. Does an early TR4 require drilling with an original Backlight? Or something else? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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