YOW500 Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 Does anyone know if the reproduction of the male, post, baby Tenex fitting be an infringement of copyright law today? Thank you, Russell Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cvtrian Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 Hi Russell My guess is yes, I'm not certain but TENAX may still make them. It's not the peg that is the problem for early TR owners, there are various alternatives available particularly in marine fittings. The problem is the spring loaded button that fastens to the peg, if you have a stock of the small TR size items, they are very rare, maybe not quite unobtainium as a forum reader managed to get hold of a significant number via an ebay purchase a year or so ago Cheers Ian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 The are 10 small pegs (male) on ebay at the moment at ..................................wait for it....... £10 EACH. You can but this for £1 most places. The female socket is a different matter. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Charlie D Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 Russell, Many years ago I produced a kit car called the Burlington SS, which looked a little bit like a Morgan. I spent a lot of time (and money, with a copyright barrister) trying to find if what I was doing was breaking any sort of copyright law. (Civil law, of course.) We never really came to any definite conclusion, but I did find out that anything I was doing would be concerned with “Design Copyright”. Which seemed to have a fairly short lifespan. The barrister actually said to me “It is probably best if you don’t go along with this venture, but then again most people totally ignore my advice and go on to make a lot of money”. I had to pay him £600 for that! (1975 – a lot of money then.) If you look at: https://copyrightservice.co.uk/protect/p15_design_rights You get some idea of time scales. Probably reproducing anything that was designed over 25 years ago would be no problem. I think the main thing would be not to mention the name “Tenax” if you sold them. But it’s very difficult to describe them without using that word! Does anyone actually own the name “Tenax” any more? Charlie. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cvtrian Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 30 minutes ago, Charlie D said: Does anyone actually own the name “Tenax” any more? Charlie. Here you go https://www.happich.de/en/company/overview-of-the-happich-group Ian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
2long Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 For the early male posts, has anyone sourced the closest available match for that early ball-shaped top? The suggestion of marine applications of Tenax was a good idea. It would need to have the variations in thread, whether machine thread, wood screw, or whatever various lengths are involved. in theory, the posts with the later onion-shaped top could probably be turned down, but I am sure I would muck that up. Cheers Dan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOW500 Posted October 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 Thank you everyone. much appreciated, and food for thought. I could see some of the design males being produced, but as Roger said, the female end, for the guy in a shed, this would be difficult, given the small demand. Russell Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Moltu Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 The other thing to consider is if there is a valid patent? if the patent has expired you can probably reproduce them. You might have to use a different name if the brand is still used or owned. Making a few for your own use is not going to be an issue, selling them is different if the patent is still valid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 Hi Folks, I'm sure this has been posted before but they look interesting https://eagleday.stores.yahoo.net/tefage.html There is a lot to see there Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cvtrian Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 2 hours ago, RogerH said: Hi Folks, I'm sure this has been posted before but they look interesting https://eagleday.stores.yahoo.net/tefage.html There is a lot to see there Roger Well done Roger - but if you fancy £10 per item, male fixings only................ https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TRIUMPH-TR2-BABY-TENAX-FASTENERS-VERY-HARD-TO-FIND-FACTORY-ITEMS-36-TOTAL-RS/373263935751?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 3 hours ago, RogerH said: Hi Folks, I'm sure this has been posted before but they look interesting https://eagleday.stores.yahoo.net/tefage.html There is a lot to see there Roger I had a hood from Germany with those knurled chrome Tenax and they were lovely so much nicer than the standard ones. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 17 minutes ago, stuart said: I had a hood from Germany with those knurled chrome Tenax and they were lovely so much nicer than the standard ones. Stuart. Here is the UK outlet https://www.opas.co.uk/products/all-products/loxx-fastners-23 Cheers Peter W PS ...and if you want to buy regular sized Tenax fasteners (female bit) Buy from Moss under the MG part No TFS106 (£2.80 ea) not the Triumph part number 552964 (£4.66 ea) The Triumph part number does not include the securing nut (551684 £1.25 ea) whereas the MG no TFS106 is the two parts. The Northern Ireland marine suppliers are also a good source (US Spec) at £95.00 for 30 with the peg and Tenax fastener assy https://www.jclarkemarine.com/collections/tenax Quote Link to post Share on other sites
2long Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 Thanks for the links and tips on sourcing the posts! Cheers Dan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave McDonald Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 I don't know exactly which Tenax bits are the difficult ones to get hold of but is there anything here that will meet your requirements. I spoke to the owner of the company with a query about some other odd fixings early afternoon last Friday. He couldn't have been more helpful or accommodating. Two samples arrived in the Saturday morning post for my selection, at no cost. My order will be being placed tomorrow. https://www.bresco.com/cgi-bin/ss000001.pl?page=search&SS=Tenax&PR=-1&TB=O&ACTION=Go! Dave McD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 Hi Dave, the holy grail is the small sockets. The large ones are available in most chandlers for the sea faring community Your link does not say what size Bresco's are. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 11 hours ago, Dave McDonald said: I don't know exactly which Tenax bits are the difficult ones to get hold of but is there anything here that will meet your requirements. I spoke to the owner of the company with a query about some other odd fixings early afternoon last Friday. He couldn't have been more helpful or accommodating. Two samples arrived in the Saturday morning post for my selection, at no cost. My order will be being placed tomorrow. https://www.bresco.com/cgi-bin/ss000001.pl?page=search&SS=Tenax&PR=-1&TB=O&ACTION=Go! Dave McD Ive used Bresco for various clips and fasteners for many years but they dont do miniature Tenax. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOW500 Posted October 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 Hi Every one. Thanks for all your input. So, if it was possible to make a small batch of the male types, in stainless steel, ( long / short, and wood screw ) at a reasonable cost, ( say circa £3 each ) would there be a market place for them, given that the female button would not be possible to produce unless a specialist producer set up for a considerable number. Russell Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 They would sell as they would be the only ones on the market. My question would be how strong are stainless steel wood screws? - My experience says not very. Admittedly that will be all down to the production material chosen. Shear the stainless thread off in your 65 year old timber frame and you will not be a happy bunny. Peter W Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOW500 Posted October 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 Hi Peter. I think the material specification for the stainless steel could be sorted. A small CNC production run would be in the hundreds of pounds, not thousands, but at the moment I would be uncertain as to whether the outlay would break even. So far yours is the only reply. If enough people were interested I would start with a prototype ball type head detail, as it is critical to the female fitting. I have even seen originals where the fit is very loose indeed. A drawing would be great, but unlikely, so a very good used one, or even an original unused one would be needed for a good start Russell Quote Link to post Share on other sites
2long Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 Add one more (me!). And I know some folks here in the US doing early long-door restos, so I bet I could connect up some other buyers! Cheers Dan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOW500 Posted October 31, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 Dan. Thanks for your thoughts from the US. As I am sure you know the UK exported thousands of TRs to the US. I don't know your situation over there, but if you are in contact with other US members, and you think there is a demand, enough take a chance, I would like to know, it could just make a difference. Cheers Russell Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOW500 Posted November 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2020 Hi All. Looks as if there may be some interest in making up a small batch of the male types. Am I correct in saying that there are four different lengths, including the wood screw type? Does anyone have an example of each type that I could, beg, borrow, steal, or buy.? Also, one for you Roger, what is the thread type? Thank you in advance, I hope !!! Russell Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cvtrian Posted November 2, 2020 Report Share Posted November 2, 2020 Hi Russell Simon Westlake has a complete set of originals he has been trying to sell on ebay. Cheers Ian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOW500 Posted November 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2020 Hi Ian. Yes, thanks for that. I do know Simon. The set he had is now sold, but he has offered me one of the small windscreen type. so I still need to track down the other types if possible. Russell Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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