Ali King Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 This came in the boot of my new TR4A ... My first instinct was to throw it out - is says 1 ton on it, and after picking it up I thought that may be its weight! (actually it's getting on for 6kg). However, after cleaning it up a bit and seeing how it works, it is growing on me. Does anyone know if this was the original issue? If so it may have earned its place next to the spare wheel, if not I think a nice lightweight scissor jack may be in order. Alistair. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Geko Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 original was a scissor jack Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted October 4, 2020 Report Share Posted October 4, 2020 212667 was the original part number of a jack for and IRS here is one https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Triumph-TR-Scissor-Jack/224171200227?hash=item3431a50ee3:g:MzUAAOSweFJfbzmR This one would probably do the job by going low enough to slide under the chassis when the tyre is flat https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TRIUMPH-FWD-1300-1500-JACK-WHEEL-BRACE-GENUINE-SPARE-TOOL-KIT/293286423055?hash=item44493baa0f:g:ekkAAOSwUMpdqyAP Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ali King Posted October 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 Thanks guys, I think I'll go for a scissor jack then and save a bit of weight. This one does just fit under the chassis, but probably not with a flat tyre (hadn't thought of that). Think I'll just keep it on the shelf. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewMAshton Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 Hello, I once had a flat away from home, a nail and tyre went down overnight, I could get the scissor jack under but what a job to lift the car, Popeye would have struggled, fortunately I had my foot pump, inflated the tyre, final couple of inches with the scissor jack and fitted the spare, cheers, Andrew Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james christie Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 T’is not a bad idea to weld a suitable nut on to a scissor jack so that you can use a wheel brace or other item (even a ratchet if you’re carrying one) - the increased leverage is such that the car is much easier to raise than with the item usually supplied. james Quote Link to post Share on other sites
trchris Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 Hi Alistair I was fortunate to pick up a commercial van scissor jack (fiat doblo) its a bit more robust than some of the car ones and not too hard to operate just make sure the one you get is up to the job and not a cheap foreign import Chris Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ianc Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 The problem with scissor jack is that the mechanical advantage is next to zero when the jack is closed - which it will be if a tyre is flat - and at its maximum when the jack is fully extended. That's why it is so very difficult to start the lift. A (very) small hydraulic bottle jack is the ideal because it has a larger (usually near square) base and the mechanical advantage is the same all the way up its reach. The original TR2 screw jack, which went through the hole in the floor in front of the seat, suffered from three problems: 1 - you were lifting the whole of one side of the car (not just a wheel), 2 - it was difficult to operate on the driver's side (steering wheel in the way) and 3 - the lever wasn't very long. I tried it once on my TR2, but never again! That's when I bought the little bottle jack. Ian Cornish Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james christie Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 Ian, point me to the bottle jack that goes under the chassis when the tyre is flat james Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ianc Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 The hydraulic bottle jack which I bought in about 1963 was made by Lake & Elliot, called the Millennium, code M10L, coloured green, capacity 1 ton, and is about 13cm (a fraction over 5") tall when fully closed, handle is rectangular and in one piece. Because it's so short (like me!), it has 2 pistons and a threaded extension in the top. Lake & Elliot seem to have disappeared, but various of their jacks can be found by Googling. In the images shown there, mine looks like number 2 when extended, 5 when closed. One might not be able to get this jack immediately beneath the chassis at the deflated corner, but one could get pretty close. More recently, I bought a bottle jack from Lidl. It's 18.5cm (7.28") tall, so wouldn't fit under the chassis in the event of a flat. It is an Ultimate Speed, IAN289553, Model HG02971, Version 07/2017 (that might be the date of manufacture), capacity 3000kg. Odd that its base plate is somewhat smaller than that of my little green beast. Model is still listed by Amazon and others. When Googling, I noticed a small bottle jack by Kaiserkraft, which is 15.8cm (6.22") when closed - not quite as short as my old green one. Almost all the modern bottle jacks have the pump & lever outside the case - my Lake & Elliot has the pump within the case, which makes it very compact. Ian Cornish Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Motorsport Mickey Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) Electric Scissor Jack is the way forward. Recommended to me by RogerH, this model comes in with a minimum height of 120 mm ( 4 3/4” ). https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12V-3-Ton-Automatic-Electric-Car-Jack-Lift-Portable-Sedan-SUV-Scissor-Floor-Jack/164407623099?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item2647753dbb:g:jcoAAOSwcylfcvaV&amdata=enc%3AAQAFAAACcBaobrjLl8XobRIiIML1V4Imu%2Fn%2BzU5L90Z278x5ickkfOCvCjTOBWK8pwriaolq5uoOKjnToUI14dEP0RF1sQcLDtTN2MWNx2%2BRd7%2BB6NLambrdPBN03zmA4isLMxSHr908iZokrsCLvnnz5Yqo5F78%2FbzciDm5LwOVtfQmzAw6YdTpgXngHeCz3nbzUOXkVV%2B4qcFwcXWLaxBYTpnSMNHqmS79R7zIZR94%2FU30COKHx7oENIYTqTtz66%2F8z%2FlxQ33eywU92BYolTH0GN59shFMxCWJLIYvYgQGPjhXzjzIOj2IxiH3j2pZkWgP2lGvCLBurNinvZp%2BfVouFjQ9lYm6hl4aU9YlhZ%2FXzaMo%2FGmO8Mo37%2BFxwYHYpaBRWHcmf%2F658QMEAkeFzYWEYn1RtlkKoCdnhv0SQ8qKU4BJiFfB0YYELGlgmUisAu0yP0S8alDgcfc9%2BbSwOrbX14VSMhAwTp8O55ROC0yX24GnHAKQF1R5hQoqLwedple7gnjWG0JDpIZd1g2rwgNLiK8Wyej7tA1OrddlUEk6%2Fs1eEQp%2BcssErnFKU0%2F6D3xHNpJ7nu4G%2BAf5sg0bFAwQVoJOzoCTmW7l6Q377Rsa79XUWXyflIVJ4IkDloqWdZZWfzCmFefUFPB3hNKmF0Zqi9kEBksEVZtMo0n%2FvSTbp8nHAtFHyxoD%2FOaObjOxhOhnd0U8R1xVJU%2FlX7mOXY3O4O3G1elmpCA%2BSBP8643IQlG2RUh%2FSg8VkPOzGL41DU4%2F93t7wW7TNb8SIpRSQKGkSHRbwKrxsEjn%2FygqTjbyXAgmE%2FYx9w%2FL25fSEHJUKh0cY2hJVg%3D%3D|cksum%3A164407623099f48697c3e3f64a518f5e946b73db91cd|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A2334524 I use one for the Ford S Max ( laden weight 2520kgs) so it piddles one side or end at 1250 kegs and so also does for the Caravan which at 1550 kegs is even easier. The remote operating switch is handy allowing the jack to be placed and operated under various hard points underneath whilst you stand up dodging kamikaze car drivers who miss you are broken down. I bought a 2 1/2 ton capacity model which had a damaged case ( cracked, I mended it with a hot electric screwdriver) on e bay for £45, I wouldn’t be without it now). Mick Richards Edited October 5, 2020 by Motorsport Mickey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 Best thing I ever bought. Also handy for taking/inserting the gearbox. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnG Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 48 minutes ago, Motorsport Mickey said: Electric Scissor Jack is the way forward. Recommended to me by RogerH, this model comes in with a minimum height of 120 mm ( 4 3/4” ). https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12V-3-Ton-Automatic-Electric-Car-Jack-Lift-Portable-Sedan-SUV-Scissor-Floor-Jack/164407623099?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item2647753dbb:g:jcoAAOSwcylfcvaV&amdata=enc%3AAQAFAAACcBaobrjLl8XobRIiIML1V4Imu%2Fn%2BzU5L90Z278x5ickkfOCvCjTOBWK8pwriaolq5uoOKjnToUI14dEP0RF1sQcLDtTN2MWNx2%2BRd7%2BB6NLambrdPBN03zmA4isLMxSHr908iZokrsCLvnnz5Yqo5F78%2FbzciDm5LwOVtfQmzAw6YdTpgXngHeCz3nbzUOXkVV%2B4qcFwcXWLaxBYTpnSMNHqmS79R7zIZR94%2FU30COKHx7oENIYTqTtz66%2F8z%2FlxQ33eywU92BYolTH0GN59shFMxCWJLIYvYgQGPjhXzjzIOj2IxiH3j2pZkWgP2lGvCLBurNinvZp%2BfVouFjQ9lYm6hl4aU9YlhZ%2FXzaMo%2FGmO8Mo37%2BFxwYHYpaBRWHcmf%2F658QMEAkeFzYWEYn1RtlkKoCdnhv0SQ8qKU4BJiFfB0YYELGlgmUisAu0yP0S8alDgcfc9%2BbSwOrbX14VSMhAwTp8O55ROC0yX24GnHAKQF1R5hQoqLwedple7gnjWG0JDpIZd1g2rwgNLiK8Wyej7tA1OrddlUEk6%2Fs1eEQp%2BcssErnFKU0%2F6D3xHNpJ7nu4G%2BAf5sg0bFAwQVoJOzoCTmW7l6Q377Rsa79XUWXyflIVJ4IkDloqWdZZWfzCmFefUFPB3hNKmF0Zqi9kEBksEVZtMo0n%2FvSTbp8nHAtFHyxoD%2FOaObjOxhOhnd0U8R1xVJU%2FlX7mOXY3O4O3G1elmpCA%2BSBP8643IQlG2RUh%2FSg8VkPOzGL41DU4%2F93t7wW7TNb8SIpRSQKGkSHRbwKrxsEjn%2FygqTjbyXAgmE%2FYx9w%2FL25fSEHJUKh0cY2hJVg%3D%3D|cksum%3A164407623099f48697c3e3f64a518f5e946b73db91cd|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A2334524 I use one for the Ford S Max ( laden weight 2520kgs) so it piddles one side or end at 1250 kegs and so also does for the Caravan which at 1550 kegs is even easier. The remote operating switch is handy allowing the jack to be placed and operated under various hard points underneath whilst you stand up dodging kamikaze car drivers who miss you are broken down. I bought a 2 1/2 ton capacity model which had a damaged case ( cracked, I mended it with a hot electric screwdriver) on e bay for £45, I wouldn’t be without it now). Mick Richards 41 minutes ago, RogerH said: Best thing I ever bought. Also handy for taking/inserting the gearbox. Roger Maybe more effective, but they don't have the character or looks of Alistairs bottle jack Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Motorsport Mickey Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 26 minutes ago, wjgco said: Maybe more effective, but they don't have the character or looks of Alistairs bottle jack Quite right John, Alistairs looks the dogs danglies (sorry Alastair, meant your jack !) . Mick Richards Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lebro Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Electric-Jack-Lifting-SUV-Van-Garage-and-Emergency-Equipment-on-12V-DC/224173206182?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131231084308%26meid%3Decc27ac68e50413eaacd8d5bccbf1990%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D164407623099%26itm%3D224173206182%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DDefaultOrganic%26brand%3DUnbranded&_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109 Looks like the same thing, but much cheaper ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewMAshton Posted October 5, 2020 Report Share Posted October 5, 2020 Coming direct from China, not via Germany? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 10 hours ago, AndrewMAshton said: Coming direct from China, not via Germany? Well Hong Kong but I suppose its the same difference now anyway. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hamish Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 On 10/5/2020 at 10:03 PM, Lebro said: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Electric-Jack-Lifting-SUV-Van-Garage-and-Emergency-Equipment-on-12V-DC/224173206182?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131231084308%26meid%3Decc27ac68e50413eaacd8d5bccbf1990%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D164407623099%26itm%3D224173206182%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DDefaultOrganic%26brand%3DUnbranded&_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109 Looks like the same thing, but much cheaper ? You could weld one on each corner and wire them to a switch for touring car style full lift. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TorontoTim Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 I carry something like this: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Clarke-CTJ1250AB-Tonne-Aluminium-Racing/dp/B00OWCP3C2?ref_=d6k_applink_bb_marketplace A bit large, perhaps, but loads of room in the boot (imo) or even behind the driver's seat. Fast, easy to use and can do more than just help to change a wheel. Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ianc Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 Beneath the boot floor, there is a considerable space behind each rear wheel and, in one of his TR4s, the clever Mr Revington has made a vertical pocket which can accommodate a lightweight trolley jack standing on one end. I don't know whether he made a similar "pocket" for his sandwiches on the other side. Ian Cornish Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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