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Hi,

I've applied to take the cherished number off my TR6. My car has recently been MOT'd but as it had been off-the-road since 1985 the DVLA want an inspection. This is now arranged for Tuesday morning.

The plates on the car all match up with my heritage certificate from 2002 and this certificate shows the original registration number as well as the one on the car now.

My V5c shows a letter D at the end of the VIN instead of what should be the O for overdrive. On the original logbook from 1973 (I got a copy from the DVLA back when they were sending them out on request) someone has written the VIN when registering the car and it does look like they wrote a D. Is this likely to affect my inspection or will they realise their mistake?

Additionally, the engine has been changed over the years and now has an engine in that's from a later car (still a CR) and is different than shown on the V5c. Will this cause me a problem with the inspection?

Am I best flagging these to the Inspector and asking him to highlight them, or wait until the DVLA have reached their conclusion before responding as needed?

 

Thanks,

Steve

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9 minutes ago, boogie said:

Hi,

I've applied to take the cherished number off my TR6. My car has recently been MOT'd but as it had been off-the-road since 1985 the DVLA want an inspection. This is now arranged for Tuesday morning.

The plates on the car all match up with my heritage certificate from 2002 and this certificate shows the original registration number as well as the one on the car now.

My V5c shows a letter D at the end of the VIN instead of what should be the O for overdrive. On the original logbook from 1973 (I got a copy from the DVLA back when they were sending them out on request) someone has written the VIN when registering the car and it does look like they wrote a D. Is this likely to affect my inspection or will they realise their mistake?

Additionally, the engine has been changed over the years and now has an engine in that's from a later car (still a CR) and is different than shown on the V5c. Will this cause me a problem with the inspection?

Am I best flagging these to the Inspector and asking him to highlight them, or wait until the DVLA have reached their conclusion before responding as needed?

 

Thanks,

Steve

Hi Steve,

I had a similar problem with the engine number on a BSA motor Bike where there was one digit wrong with the number. I spoke to the DVLA on this subject and they told me that there is a section on the V5 to cover this which you have to fill in and send the V5 back to them to make changes. But they may request a tracing of the number as they did with me. They are very nervous of this type of change because of fraud. Also you may be asked why you have not already informed them? I was lucky that I could prove that it was there mistake! when we went from green log book to V5.

Bruce.

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My advice (having been interviewed under caution by the DVLA in previous years), is dont volunteer any information that you don't need to.  You may be lucky and a get a decent official, but you may be unlucky and get a complete ****.  Suggest you let them find, and then explain, their own errors.....  Their levels of obstinate bureacracy can bring tears to your eyes.

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Thanks all, I won't mention anything on the inspection and see what happens when the DVLA review everything.

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Be aware that you should have informed the DVLA when you changed the engine , there is a section on all V5 log books that requires you to inform the DVLA of changes to your vehicle , colour / engine etc etc

graham

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Personally, I would put off the inspection until after you’ve got the log book sorted with the correct engine number. They may take a dim view of you presenting it for inspection with the engine number plainly incorrect. Pleading that you didn’t know it was different will cut no ice and admitting you did know would be big mistake.

The thing you don’t want to do is pi55 off the DVLA.

Of course it may not be an issue at all, it depends upon who inspects it......thing is.......do you feel lucky?
I wouldn’t even consider it myself, it’s asking for trouble. (JMHO)

simon

 

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The DVLA will use SGS for the inspection , there is normally no interaction between the inspector and yourself , he has a tick sheet  that is simply a yes or no , or a box to insert numbers , they may sometimes ask you to show them the position of the vin plate/ chassis number/ engine number , if they are not familiar with your vehicle.

graham

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Ok, the SGS Inspector visited today.

I decided to email the DVLA first thing this morning to explain the situation and provide a copy of the very first log book where the O for overdrive had been transposed for a D, and why I couldn't provide them the paperwork relating to the engine (bought, rebuilt by dad who then passed away and fitted by a garage that went into liquidation). I got a response saying not to worry and the Inspector would get all the information needed and it would all be sorted.

The Inspector took loads of notes and photos and listened to what I had to say about the D/O and the engine. He asked if it was original chassis, panels, suspension, etc and left. He later rang me to double-check on what I'd told him to make sure he'd got it right for the DVLA cos he said they were mainly a pain in the arse.

I've now got to wait for a few weeks to hear back from them. 

 

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  • 3 weeks later...

Minor update - I had an initial letter from the DVLA asking me to fill in a "built-up vehicle" form. I filled the form in and explained that I didn't think this applied as my car has been restored not built-up. I listed each element (chassis, steering, suspension, body panels, etc.) as being to my car registration except for the engine. I gave them a detailed letter outlining my position and evidence. This was about two weeks ago. I've this morning had an email from them just asking me to provide a photo of the original VIN plate because the one they have a photo of is a "new" one. I've explained I don't have the old plate because it either didn't come back when I had the "new" plate stamped up in 2017 (the supplier quite rightly told me they wouldn't stamp up a replacement without seeing my original one) or it got lost when we moved house. I've now basically thrown myself on their mercy, but if they're not happy with my response does anyone else have any suggestions what to do next if they're still not satisfied?

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The DVLA can be exceptionally difficult and you will need the patience of a saint.   A mate of mine imported a MkII RS2000 from South Africa and spent months with DVLA trying to get it registered.  And then eventually got a V5 with just Ford Escort on it - the lack of RS2000 designation wasn't important to him but the insurers refused to insure as an RS2000 which was an issue (and about a £20k price difference).  That took 7 months to resolve!!! 

His advice, put absolutely everything in writing and send by special delivery so you have a record of interactions and asks etc.  

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On 8/27/2020 at 1:43 PM, boogie said:

Hi,

I've applied to take the cherished number off my TR6. My car has recently been MOT'd but as it had been off-the-road since 1985 the DVLA want an inspection. This is now arranged for Tuesday morning.

The plates on the car all match up with my heritage certificate from 2002 and this certificate shows the original registration number as well as the one on the car now.

My V5c shows a letter D at the end of the VIN instead of what should be the O for overdrive. On the original logbook from 1973 (I got a copy from the DVLA back when they were sending them out on request) someone has written the VIN when registering the car and it does look like they wrote a D. Is this likely to affect my inspection or will they realise their mistake?

Additionally, the engine has been changed over the years and now has an engine in that's from a later car (still a CR) and is different than shown on the V5c. Will this cause me a problem with the inspection?

Am I best flagging these to the Inspector and asking him to highlight them, or wait until the DVLA have reached their conclusion before responding as needed?

 

Thanks,

Steve

Hi Steve,

You should already have sent back a change notice on the V5 back to the DVLA.  I hope that they do not cut up rusty? They can get excited on the slightest thing, all this is based on experience?

Bruce.

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34 minutes ago, astontr6 said:

You should already have sent back a change notice on the V5 back to the DVLA.

With hindsight I wished I'd done it all a stage at a time. Notify them of the engine change first, then take up the incorrect D at the end of the VIN on the V5, then sought to get the original registration back.

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It's all been quiet from the DVLA for the last two weeks or so until I got a letter in the post this morning. They say I've not provided enough evidence to convince them about the identity of my car and have now withdrawn my registration number and V5c. I need to reapply to have it registered. They don't mention any right to appeal, but I've emailed back to say I want to appeal their decision and will be discussing with independent experts of the TR Register.

I've emailed Graham Andrews and Derek Graham for assistance and hope they can help.

  • I don't have a photo of the original commission plate on the car or even just the plate.
  • I have the original numer plates (with the previous owners name on them) but no photos of them on the car from proior to restoration.
  • I have a heritage certificate from 2002 when I first bought the car. The commission number has a D at the end on the V5c not the O for overdrive. All other body numbers original to the car match the heritage certificate.
  • The factory colour was pimento. It was signal red when I got it. Derek has confirmed my car was previously in the register and had changed to signal red in 1984. I have a photo through my restoration of the signal red against the pimento when the windscreen frame was removed.

I'm convinced the details of my car are legit and match 100%, but I'd appreciate your views in light of the above details please what you think my chances of success of making a strong enough case with the DVLA would be please.

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17 hours ago, boogie said:

It's all been quiet from the DVLA for the last two weeks or so until I got a letter in the post this morning. They say I've not provided enough evidence to convince them about the identity of my car and have now withdrawn my registration number and V5c. I need to reapply to have it registered. They don't mention any right to appeal, but I've emailed back to say I want to appeal their decision and will be discussing with independent experts of the TR Register.

I've emailed Graham Alexander and Derek Graham for assistance and hope they can help.

  • I don't have a photo of the original commission plate on the car or even just the plate.
  • I have the original numer plates (with the previous owners name on them) but no photos of them on the car from proior to restoration.
  • I have a heritage certificate from 2002 when I first bought the car. The commission number has a D at the end on the V5c not the O for overdrive. All other body numbers original to the car match the heritage certificate.
  • The factory colour was pimento. It was signal red when I got it. Derek has confirmed my car was previously in the register and had changed to signal red in 1984. I have a photo through my restoration of the signal red against the pimento when the windscreen frame was removed.

I'm convinced the details of my car are legit and match 100%, but I'd appreciate your views in light of the above details please what you think my chances of success of making a strong enough case with the DVLA would be please.

Talk to Graham Andrews he will be able to point you in the right direction.

Stuart.

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13 hours ago, Bill944T said:

Thank you for your work with the DVLA Graham. 

Fortunately my dealings to get a re-allocated plate off mine onto retention (now sold), the re-instatement of the original (showroom) plate and into historic went without hitch much to my surprise about 5 years ago.

Regards

Bill 

 

DVLA have tightened up the system so much now and also arent training their staff enough .

Stuart.

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On 9/25/2020 at 10:05 AM, boogie said:

With hindsight I wished I'd done it all a stage at a time. Notify them of the engine change first, then take up the incorrect D at the end of the VIN on the V5, then sought to get the original registration back.

I hope others who read this thread will take notice of what has happen here if it applies to them or suffer the consequences??

Bruce.

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Just now, astontr6 said:

I hope others who read this thread will take notice of what has happen here if it applies to them or suffer the consequences??

Bruce.

I hope so too. It's certainly been a learning experience for me.

There's a little bit more to this, in relation to bad advice given to me, that I've shared with Graham which hopefully doesn't come back to bite me

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3 hours ago, stuart said:

DVLA have tightened up the system so much now and also arent training their staff enough .

Stuart.

I have seen the DVLA in action in our road over the suspicion of a cloning  of a BSA Rocket Gold Star, along with the Police with a search warrant !! I even got interviewed as I had a BSA Thunderbolt where I had sent in a change notice because the engine number had been trans-scribed wrongly by them from Green Log Book to V5. I think it was to check if I was up to no good??  That cloning case is still ongoing even after 3 years?

Bruce.

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Everybody 

The DVLA have indeed got more strict of late , and are becoming more reliant on  CLUB  inspections or returning applications saying they they need  owners club to endorse your application .  Add in they are working from home , it’s not easy at the moment.

our club advice is free , and we only charge £30 to make your application be it a 765 or a V5/55 

email is v765@tr-register.co.uk

graham

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