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6 Cyl Damper - Will it or won't it?


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I'm stripping the engine of my early 1968 TR5 as part of a complete car restoration.

See photos of the crank damper which must be 52/53 years old. The rubber does not look well, being obviously cracked.

My question is this. Is that ok to reuse without causing possible future failure?

Cue Mr Crank Damper - John Davies??

Dave McD

 

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1 hour ago, ntc said:

Why not it maybe only the outside part that has perished 

That might be right Neil, but how do you know what the inner hidden part is like?

1 hour ago, peejay4A said:

I wouldn’t use it Dave. 

I know appearance wise it don't look good.

Does anyone know anything about the quality of replacements listed by the usual suppliers.

When I checked it with the cylinder head off and  a dial gauge to determine TDC on piston No 1 the damper TDC mark was spot on the marker on the front of the timing cover, so the outer hasn't slipped relative to the inner.

More comments welcome.

Dave McD

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Thanks for the namecheck, Dave!

I've found that the appearance of the rubber in a damper pulley is a very bad guide to its function as a damper.    Only testing will tell.     

If you would like a test, Dave, contact me by PM?

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Rubber is vulnerable to the elements. Fuel and oil exposure,  ozone, moisture, and maybe even some occasional UV light all can cause damage.  These are all surface effects, though, and a rubber surface of much age will usually show some degradation. These elements dont normally have a way to reach the internal working material, so if there is no evidence that the rim has spun on the hub, the damper is likely still fully functional.

I often wonder how well some of these generic replacement dampers are tuned to the specific application.

Ed

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14 hours ago, ntc said:

Why not it maybe only the outside part that has perished 

i'm with Neil on this one Dave.

Roy

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14 hours ago, ed_h said:

 

I often wonder how well some of these generic replacement dampers are tuned to the specific application.

 

Same here.

Richard Good offers a viscous damper claimed to enable another 600-800 rpm. Even at its bracing price I would consider it if I were certain of it lasting indefinitely ( I'm not ).

 

Tom

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It could well be the outside (exposed) rubber is perished. If you want to know remove 1-2 mm of it and see what appears. If the cracks stop, I would not hesitate to use it. The “fresh” rubber may need longer to degrade that most of us will need (including myself) :)

Waldi

 

 

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I will be facing the same dilemma soon.  One thing I had planned was to mount the damper, rotate the crank and check the circumference with a dial test gauge to see if there is any run out.  My engine was static for a long time, so I could imagine inconsistent swelling of the rubber if oil leaked to the low point.

Would appreciate any suggestions for a reliable replacement item 

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On 7/5/2020 at 10:03 PM, john.r.davies said:

Thanks for the namecheck, Dave!

I've found that the appearance of the rubber in a damper pulley is a very bad guide to its function as a damper.    Only testing will tell.     

If you would like a test, Dave, contact me by PM?

John,

You have a PM.

Dave

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