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John,

My spies tell me that  Boris's condition is improved he is not 100%. I am really pleased he will be back, I think the cabinet have held together rather well and no obvious power grabs whilst teacher has been away. Because Boris had Covid fairly rough I am sure he can bring a better understanding of the pandemic to the table than others.

Alan

 

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Boris...too bad for bugs... thank goodness.

Mick Richards

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I wouldn't cross the street to pee on him of he was on fire (ok, I would really - i'm not a monster!). 

But at times like this, partisanship must be put aside for the good of all so I truly hope that he leads confidently and successfully. It's similar here in Ontario - I disagree profoundly with our premier but he has done an excellent leadership job being clear and decisive and 100% on "team Canada" with a prime minister with whom HE disagrees profoundly under normal circumstances. I have a new-found respect for him. 

I still won't vote for him because I disagree so strongly with his policies, but I will always be glad of his leadership through this period. 

Tim

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9 hours ago, Richard Green 54 said:

 Unless you are xxxxxxx on that xxxx Trump, in which case I am first in the queue.

Seems to be a perception that it's fine to hate Trump and express same with no concern that anyone might be offended.

As it happens, millions are. WIth notable exceptions -_- most quietly express their views at the ballot box and prefer not to invite the nastiness that his haters give themselves license to spew. In the event he is re-elected as I hope he will, they may not take it lying down much longer.

 

Tom

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6 hours ago, Tom Fremont said:

Seems to be a perception that it's fine to hate Trump and express same with no concern that anyone might be offended.

As it happens, millions are. WIth notable exceptions -_- most quietly express their views at the ballot box and prefer not to invite the nastiness that his haters give themselves license to spew. In the event he is re-elected as I hope he will, they may not take it lying down much longer.

 

Tom

He is not universally disliked in UK, in fact it appears that 18% of Brits have a positive opinion of him. Which I personally find astonishing, but that shows that, like all of us, I too live in a bubble. (It appears that same pro-Trump constituency also tend to be positive about Silvio Berlusconi, Vladamir Putin, MBS and Kim Jong-un.)

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Nigel

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Hi Tom.

Plus 1 from me matey

Trump 2024,

I think Trump is a breath of fresh air and have yet to hear a cogient assessment of what he has done wrong. As a billionaire, why would you put up with the constant **** he has for his entire presidency. he truly loves his country, and connects like no other with the people and thats what matters.

The viewpoint he bad orange man comes from a severely damaged MSM in US and I'm afraid to say the UK as well. You need to look a bit deeper and ask yourself can he be that bad that the polls have him winning, despite failed Russia scam, failed empeachment, and constant negative press.

For proof of double standards look at the Dem viewpoint that every female must be believed in the brett kavannaugh trial, for that is what it was. and now look at the sex allegations against the presidential nominee Joe grease my palm Biden. This man insults an auto worker to his face, can't rememer which state or offence he is running for. God help us if that clown gets elected.

Perhaps some Brits should not cast doubts on another countries president without having a serious argument to back up their statements.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Boris or the lefty alternatives, Pah! no contest labour party is dead and should remain so until it is fit for purpose.

Rod

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18 minutes ago, Bleednipple said:

He is not universally disliked in UK, in fact it appears that 18% of Brits have a positive opinion of him. Which I personally find astonishing, but that shows that, like all of us, I too live in a bubble. (It appears that same pro-Trump constituency also tend to be positive about Silvio Berlusconi, Vladamir Putin, MBS and Kim Jong-un.)

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Nigel

Nigel,

Slightly confused about the description of a "constituency" having a favourable view of Donald Trump and various other world leaders. Having reviewed the You gov site as far I can see the polling is carried out nationwide which means the opinion is a spread example from around the UK, not one particular area or constituency.

Personally I see the individual opinion of the public as being a cornerstone of the democratic system, whether they like or dislike various UK public figures or even/especially foreign world leaders. However I am extremely uncomfortable with negative opinions of world leaders especially along the lines of "looney" "imbecilic" etc expressed by TV commentators or presenters about our own, or even especially foreign world leaders. The broadcast individual opinions of TV presenters must surely remain negative otherwise the wrong impression can be given to other countries and the opinion of a broadcaster be given as the UK official thinking (even if not declared as such).

Mick Richards 

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7 minutes ago, Rodbr said:

Trump 2024,

I think Trump is a breath of fresh air and have yet to hear a cogient assessment of what he has done wrong. As a billionaire, why would you put up with the constant **** he has for his entire presidency. he truly loves his country, and connects like no other with the people and thats what matters.

The viewpoint he bad orange man comes from a severely damaged MSM in US and I'm afraid to say the UK as well. You need to look a bit deeper and ask yourself can he be that bad that the polls have him winning, despite failed Russia scam, failed empeachment, and constant negative press.

For proof of double standards look at the Dem viewpoint that every female must be believed in the brett kavannaugh trial, for that is what it was. and now look at the sex allegations against the presidential nominee Joe grease my palm Biden. This man insults an auto worker to his face, can't rememer which state or offence he is running for. God help us if that clown gets elected.

Perhaps some Brits should not cast doubts on another countries president without having a serious argument to back up their statements.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Boris or the lefty alternatives, Pah! no contest labour party is dead and should remain so until it is fit for purpose.

Rod

I think the problem here is that defending Donald Trump always seems to end up having to rely on assertions about how the alternatives - Democratic Party, establishment politics in general - is worse. 

If the presumed solution to those problems is to re-elect a narcissistic, misogynistic, racist, pathological liar as head of state (and I'm not relying on the mainstream media, I have read the president's own tweets and seen what he actually says in public, time and again) then I really think it bodes very ill for the future of the USA as a nation.

Nigel

 

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Just now, Motorsport Mickey said:

Slightly confused about the description of a "constituency" having a favourable view of Donald Trump and various other world leaders. Having reviewed the You gov site as far I can see the polling is carried out nationwide which means the opinion is a spread example from around the UK, not one particular area or constituency.

Hi Mick, I was using the word "constituency" in the general sense of a group of people with shared political views, rather than in a geographical sense. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Nigel

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Rodbr has " yet to hear a cogient assessment of what he has done wrong"

Suggested that we inject ourselves with disinfectant.

Told the American people that "It's going to disappear [Covid] "

Etc etc

See: https://www.nytimes.com/search?query=Trump+lies

As for Johnson lying: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/18/boris-johnson-lying-media

Yes, yes, I know, all brexit remoaning, snowflake, double-standarded leftie criticism.  But because it's true doesn't make it wrong.

JOhn

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Oh well,

Glad to see you reference true bastions of the truth and fair unbiased reporting. 

Fed up of armchair experts deciding and telling their version of events.

The old adage of we don't make the news we just report it is long dead. Everyone is a pundit these days.

You miss the point entirely all politions lie to one degree or other and Trump is an artist at trolling so that the wrong viewpoint is taken.

Perhaps you prefer nancy antoinette showing her 24,000 Usd freezer full of luxury icecream while 20 million citizens que for food parcels!

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4 minutes ago, Rodbr said:

Oh well,

Glad to see you reference true bastions of the truth and fair unbiased reporting. 

Fed up of armchair experts deciding and telling their version of events.

The old adage of we don't make the news we just report it is long dead. Everyone is a pundit these days.

You miss the point entirely all politions lie to one degree or other and Trump is an artist at trolling so that the wrong viewpoint is taken.

Perhaps you prefer nancy antoinette showing her 24,000 Usd freezer full of luxury icecream while 20 million citizens que for food parcels!

I agree about the problem of relying on the media for balance, although that's probably always been the case everywhere in the world. But CNN, most notably, from previously being accused of bias by both sides of the political divide (usually a sign of balance!) fell right into the elephant trap of becoming an inveterate anti-Trump crusader which makes it impossible to rely on them for anything like objective reporting.

But anyway, unfortunately, history shows that the election of populist leaders as a counter to the insidious capture of a political economy by elites (I'd not heard the delicious phrase "Nancy Antoinette" before, but maybe that's a case in point) tends not to end well, in that almost invariably the "cure is worse than the disease" - to borrow a phrase of the moment.

Here's a wicked think-piece, in a similar vein: https://theweek.com/articles/910496/sen-mcconnell-elder-fall-american-republic?fbclid=IwAR2h_NdMg9K9yY6i5Y6ynYzPOuQb97DH3r9AQ2Hb7f5zD-589fETwyjkAys

Nigel

 

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Oh, come on, Pete!   "I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute,” Trump said. “One minute! And is there a way we can do something, by an injection inside or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that"

You can construe that how you like, but at least one State Governor (Larry Hogan, Maryland) has said that his state hotline had received “hundreds of calls” following Trump’s comments. “[It’s] hard to imagine that people thought that [Trump’s comment] was serious,” Hogan said. “”But what people actually were thinking about this was this something you could do to protect yourself?” 

Injecting bleach or highly concentrated rubbing alcohol “causes massive organ damage and the blood cells in the body to basically burst,” Dr. Diane P. Calello, the medical director of the New Jersey Poison Information and Education System, said in an interview. “It can definitely be a fatal event.”

If eminent US politicians and public health specialists feel it's  necessary to inorm the public of how dangerous is the advuce of their President, whio are we to interpret his words any other way?    But we shousld recall that there is a word for injecting disinfectant or alcohol into the body - Embalming.

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Trust me, there are people stupid enough to think injecting disinfectant was what he meant, causing calls to state medical hot lines and the manufacturer of Lysol to put out a message telling people not to do this. Just as two people consumed some fish tank cleaner (one of them died) because chloroquine was a game changer.

“I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that"

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I forgot to add, I'm glad to see Boris back in the saddle. Admittedly, I know little of British politics; I just take him to be in the post for the sake of his country, to press for its benevolence and not for any other agenda. Same way I see President Trump. Both are imperfect creatures, and both are timely occupants of their respective posts IMhO. Each presents a barrier to the controlling elites, that tiny fraction of society which has ever been the bane of human civilization. 

 

Tom

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One thing I truly believe:  it would be really dull if we all had the same opinions, even in times like these.

However, my point above (perhaps rather inelegantly stated) is that there is a time for partisanship and there is a time for coming together and all pull in the same direction (albeit with positive debate).

I rather think that the time right now is for the latter...

Tim

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