barkerwilliams Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 Ah but John how can you possibly say that without a proper trial, to use your own previous arguments? Alan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 Free vitamin D from the NHS if you are high risk https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/people-at-higher-risk/get-vitamin-d-supplements/ Â Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobH Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 16 minutes ago, foster461 said: Free vitamin D from the NHS if you are high risk True but its only at 400IUÂ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mick Forey Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 Be positive, it will prevent all those care home residents getting rickets! Mick Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peter Cobbold Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 3 hours ago, iain said: ......or what do you think of Global government's doing the same. Not one has grasped the nettle. Why? A global conspiracy.......I don’t think so, the first to react would surely be at a significant cultural and more importantly, economic advantage. So why aren’t they doing it? We don't know why,but ignorance/ignoring D3 has history going back decades. Several of the signtories to the letter https://vitamindforall.org/letter.html are researcher-clinicians who have spent a lifetime trying to raise awareness of the huge range of actions of this hormone in diseases. Holick discovered the active form 1,25(OH)D3 is his PhD in 1969. There is a charity in USA dedicated to D3. Unfotunatel the histort of D3 started earlier in 1930. with codlive oil and rickets and identifiction of D3. So the bone merchants have dominated regulatory panels ever since. The serum 25(OH)D needed to avoid rickets isonly ca 25 nmol/L and needs only ca 400 IU pd D3 to work. That is too low to prevent most other D3-sensitive diseases, including C-19. But there is light at the end of this long tunnel, covid having synchronised the D3-aware clinicians and scientists globally. In UK BAME doctors are already supplementing thansk to the work of BAPIO and Prof Parag Singhal, and the mainstream media are beginning to catch up: https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2020-12-09/physician-urges-bame-people-to-take-vitamin-d-to-protect-them-against-coronavirus Signatories to the letter are added daily. NICE_SACN were expected to report to Hancock around now but have dealyed until late Dec. Meanwhile patients are dying who could have survived. Peter   Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peter Cobbold Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 3 hours ago, john.r.davies said: Can you conceive of the possibility that VitD is only of peripheral importance in combatting Covid? John, No, emphatically no ! We should not regard D3 as only combatting C-19, like an alterntive to dexamethasone or other drugs. The global deficiency of D3 and consequent weakened immunity is what the virus is exploiting. There's the difference, thers no deficisny of dex. Physiological serum 25(OH)D3 is 100 to 150 nmol/L. The UK population averages not quite 50. The signatories to the letter https://vitamindforall.org/letter.html average 4000 IU pd supplements - enough to bring them all up to physiological. The letter is a synopsis of a large number of D3-C-19 research papers all pointing to the conclusions listed. New papers are now emrging at several per week. D3 is not peripheral: deficiency helps the virus, supplementation kills it. Peter   Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peter Cobbold Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 Looks like the Open Letter posted Saturday will get an airing in the Observer. Peter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
barkerwilliams Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 (edited) Stupidly I had always believed that sunlight was a latitude thing, not so, The Met office maps show sunshine has a longitude component, probably due to cloud cover, obvious when you consider it. Met office does not have the 2020 annual figures yet. My sympathies for those in North Wales! Alan https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/maps-and-data/uk-actual-and-anomaly-maps Edited December 15, 2020 by barkerwilliams Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peter Cobbold Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 Yeh.... sun-deprived we may be in Wales, but we never have droughts. I'd rather run out of D3 than water. Peter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peter Cobbold Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 Lateral flow tests for C-19 no better than tossing a coin: https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4848 Bit late in the day to discover that. Peter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hamish Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 if you want a really interesting read................  go back to the  beginning of this thread  its quite revealing  H Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peter Cobbold Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 Today NICE_SACN_PHE released their new advice on D3:Â no change Below is the reply by the UK's foremost expert on D3 in immunology, Martin Hewison Peter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peter Cobbold Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, Peter Cobbold said: Today NICE_SACN_PHE released their new advice on D3: no change Below is the reply by the UK's foremost expert on D3 in immunology, Martin Hewison Peter Tweet was truncated, link here https://twitter.com/gruffdavies/status/1339621553902903296  Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 Another shot in the dark London is put into Tier 4 from tonight - there goes Christmas But they still ignore the straws to grasp at Why do they poo poo the Hormone VitD. Utter madness ALL the shops in Hayes town high street today are open. None are essential but because they each sell everything (Buckets, Brooms and Bread) they can stay open. They are twisting the rules and killing people Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobH Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020  Thanks Boris - for nothing.  Christmas alone it is then. (Can't 'bubble' with anyone as they are already bubbling with their kids). Need to go out tomorrow and buy a chicken or something for Xmas day before they're all sold. I expect the supermarkets will be heaving.  Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peter Cobbold Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 37 minutes ago, RogerH said: Another shot in the dark London is put into Tier 4 from tonight - there goes Christmas But they still ignore the straws to grasp at Why do they poo poo the Hormone VitD. Utter madness ALL the shops in Hayes town high street today are open. None are essential but because they each sell everything (Buckets, Brooms and Bread) they can stay open. They are twisting the rules and killing people Roger Roger, I also dont understand why the " hormone vitD " ( excellent name, I shall pinch it ) is ignored. Here's my latest attempt at shaking the tree: https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4912/rapid-responses https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4838/rapid-responses Wales has joined you in Tier4- better safer than sorry. Peter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peter Cobbold Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 My spies tell me there should be an article by two MPs on the hormone vitD for covid in Sunday's Observer. If anyone dare vneture out to get a copy I'd be very interested to hear what they say. Peter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SuzanneH Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 (edited) Because this is a new variant rampaging throughLonon & SE ( and has been here since September ) this confirms my theory that me, Roger and many of our friends and acquaintances DID have Cov19 last January. Everyone outside of London thought London was getting off lightly throughout2020 since March but many of us knew better and believed we had contracted it way before it was generally known about last March. With the actions the Govt have just taken let’s hope this new variant does not follow the pattern of 2020. Edited December 19, 2020 by SuzanneH Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ntc Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 Sorry up north we reckon it is a excuse to use the word variant you should have been in t3 like the rest but no , money more important to London remember where it was high at the start Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 Somebody sneezed on the Isle of Sheppey and the whole of London went into Lock down Tier 3.  That doesn't sound like money talking.  Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SuzanneH Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 44 minutes ago, ntc said: Sorry up north we reckon it is a excuse to use the word variant you should have been in t3 like the rest but no , money more important to London remember where it was high at the start That’s my whole point Neil, what you think was the start wasn't, we had it here several months before anyone knew anything about it at all. It was only with hindsight that us Londoners realised we had suffered this without knowing. We were all very very ill. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ntc Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 1 hour ago, SuzanneH said: That’s my whole point Neil, what you think was the start wasn't, we had it here several months before anyone knew anything about it at all. It was only with hindsight that us Londoners realised we had suffered this without knowing. We were all very very ill. Sue it was widespread far more than many was told I saw it in March alas don’t ask me how I know  Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 That is Sue's point - we had it at the end of December 2019. Others here had it in early December. Others in Preston were dropping like flies at the same time. The general public were not being told the truth. Â Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john.r.davies Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 (edited) RobH, I sympathize.  I'm lucky, my grandkids are not old enough to be away from.home, so I'll bubbling with Daughter and family.  That doesn't help you - but it does!  A bubble is the same as ONE family!  So you can join them! If,of course, that's sensible! Good luck,stay well! John Edited December 19, 2020 by john.r.davies Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peter Cobbold Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 The D3 for C-19 story is starting to break in the national press https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1374763/coronavirus-news-update-uk-global-pandemic-vitamin-d-campaign  Open Letter is here: https://vitamindforall.org/letter.html Peter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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