CORONAVIRUS

[TorontoTim]

John, I think that is very good practice that we would all do well to follow.

[john.r.davies]

As many may know, all motor racing has been cancelled in the UK and for the foreseeable, F1.   This is to complywit Gov advice, led,  of course, by science opnion.   Fine

In the US, things are different.    They are being advised to mask up, but the SVRA is planning a continued race programme, with modified procedures.  They tell me by email that:

We are very optimistic about this schedule, based on the data that is being shared today. Several changes to SVRA's processes have been made to support a safe environment and sustain social distancing, as we transition to SVRA's New Normal.   
Creating the safest possible experience Includes:
* New Registration proceedures
* New Tech proceedures
* New Podium process
* Outside Drivers Meeting supported with a good sound system
* No Fan Walks, Autograph sessions, or Hero Cards - to minimize crowds
* No gathering for parties or dinners. Working with tracks re: food vendors and lines
* Fans and spectators will not have assigned seating,
* Licensing waiver for expired medicals offered

These are just a few interim steps that we need to take so we can go racing. Things are not going to be the same for quite some time but getting back on the track will be a big step in the right direction.

Our sincere thanks and best wishes to competitors, crews, friends and families, we look forward to seeing you soon. 

 

The best of luck with that, our American cousins!    Who knows who is correct?

Edited April 8, 2020 by john.r.davies

[Peter Cobbold]

5 hours ago, SuzanneH said:

At last nights Coronavirus update did you notice Dominic Raab was asked about the difference between the German death rate and the UK Death rate?. His very quick response was that Demoghraphics came into the explanation of the difference and he didn’t elaborate.

It is my “ guess”  with some understanding that the Demographic not elaborated on was skin colour.

Before you shoot me down in flames please think about this seriously.

I think he refers to the low death rate in Germany, intially, was that most infected were young skiers returned from N Italy. 

Skin pigmentation is a risk for low D3 and likely COVID deaths.see above

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/07/us/coronavirus-race.html?referringSource=articleShare

Peter

Edited April 8, 2020 by Peter Cobbold

[JohnG]

2 hours ago, john.r.davies said:

 

The best of luck with that, our American cousins!    Who knows who is correct?

 

We should know in about 9 months John

TBH, I'm quite interested to find out, I have my own thoughts on the way we are being driven

[stillp]

Meanwhile, the US has 401,146 confirmed cases...

Pete

[barkerwilliams]

Tonight's Horizon Special Coronavirus program was excellent. No gee whizz presentation just some good science aimed at the viewer.

A pity that the message is so grim.

 

Alan 

[john.r.davies]

A couple of pages back, I condemned a video that had been posted advocating some breathing exercises to treat or ward off CoVid19.     I was challenged to produce evidence that my criticisism was correct, a challenge I rejected as it is on the proponents of such wild theories to do so.   

Since then, I have learnt that this was another piece of CoVid19 'fake news' that had been promoted by someone, made so self-confident by their own celebrity that they advocate on matters in which they had no knowledge.     Step forward, Ms.J.K Rowling, whose 'sharing' of the video brought it to more people and with more false authority than it ever deserved.

And we have heard from people who do have the knowledge and expertise to criticize it.     It is physiotherapists who apply all sorts of exercises and manipulations to relieve and treat illness, and their specialists, the Association of Chartered Phhysiotherapists in Respiratory Care have said the the video's exercises "should be harmless for the healthy".   But they do not merely condemn by faint praise, for they go on to say that they "could make symptomns worse in someone suffereing from breathlessness",  were "well-intentioned ... but not correct"  with no evidence that they will help prevent the illness.     And it's not only the paramedical professions;   Dr.Tom Wingfield, lecturer in infectious diseases at Liverpool, says that "it's an evidence-free zone", and Dr.Saira Garfur, respiratory Consultant at St.Mary's, London says that "None of this is evidence-based"

So, if you want to do the exercises advocated in the video, go ahead.  But you might do better by copying Harry Potter, and crying "Expecto patronum!"

[Motorsport Mickey]

Thank you John for doing the legwork and establishing the truth of the matter.

Mick Richards 

[foster461]

I realize we should never underestimate the stupidity of people but setting fire to cell towers because they make people more susceptible to covid19 ?

 

[AndyR100]

Whether it is understanding virus containment, 5G networks or anything else - You can’t fix Stupid

[stillp]

The difference between genius and stupidity -  genius has limits.

Pete

[john.r.davies]

There are many who admire our Dear Leader, and it would be wrong to kick a man when he's down, but is fawning flattery any better?

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/getwellboris?fbclid=IwAR36Dmu7rw75ert6BSbxeDTjkab9b2iwJOCNQcjCDLeGDwQaP-7cRhRVlmc

 

[SuzanneH]

It has just been announced that Boris is leaving hospital. Well done NHS and welcome back Boris.

[Bleednipple]

Yes, He is Risen.

 

[Peter Cobbold]

Severe COVID can lead to brain damage:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-neurologic-effects-hospitalized-covid-patients.html

I shall not be emerging when lockdown is lifted, even with D3. Nor will family be visiting. To asymptomatc infections we now have to consider those who have recovered from COVID re-infecting themselves. URL lost.  It is impossible to know where we might catch it.

Peter

 

[Waldi]

On 4/11/2020 at 6:53 PM, foster461 said:

I realize we should never underestimate the stupidity of people but setting fire to cell towers because they make people more susceptible to covid19 ?

 

Aha, “we” do the same here, and it surely helps, our victims numbers are declining!

Waldi

 

[john.r.davies]

Peter,

Ventilation in ICU, for any cause,  is associated with all the complications that worry you.   

That report is from "214 consecutive hospitalized patients"   No controls, no data on age or existing disease, but these are very sick people, who are prone to complications.

Of patients ventilated for other causes in ICU, myocardial disease, cerebrovascular disease and muscle weakness lead the complications.  And duration of ventilation, which would be longer in  the more serious infections of Covid19, makes them more likely.    See: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4396894/   If yu lie in bed for more than 24 hours, you will have muscle weakness on getting up again!

The paper you quote is an observation, a report, it proves nothing, and tells nothing new.

Yes, we don't want to be infected or ventilated (by the time we get it, Peter, the triage will have excluded the over 70 anyway!) but that's sensible by itself.

John

Edited April 13, 2020 by john.r.davies

[barkerwilliams]

John,

Perhaps it is sensible, but branding the over 70's  worthless, and their life counts for nothing surprisingly has the strange effect of annoying the over seventies.

Alan

[Peter Cobbold]

14 minutes ago, barkerwilliams said:

John,

Perhaps it is sensible, but branding the over 70's  worthless, and their life counts for nothing surprisingly has the strange effect of annoying the over seventies.

Alan

Alan,  There's boomer removers out there, we best stay home. Peter the coffin dodger.

[barkerwilliams]

Peter,

Long may you keep on dodging the reaper, I cannot decide whether a society consisting only  of millennials would be either comic or dystopian.

Wisdom comes from experience, the older you get the wiser you get.

Alan

[Peter Cobbold]

26 minutes ago, barkerwilliams said:

Peter,

Long may you keep on dodging the reaper, I cannot decide whether a society consisting only  of millennials would be either comic or dystopian.

Wisdom comes from experience, the older you get the wiser you get.

Alan

Alan, I'd like to beleive that wise bit,,,,,,,,,,,,,but I think its all the D3 improving memory, and mood. Peter

[Peter Cobbold]

1 hour ago, john.r.davies said:

Peter,

Ventilation in ICU, for any cause,  is associated with all the complications that worry you.   

That report is from "214 consecutive hospitalized patients"   No controls, no data on age or existing disease, but these are very sick people, who are prone to complications.

Of patients ventilated for other causes in ICU, myocardial disease, cerebrovascular disease and muscle weakness lead the complications.  And duration of ventilation, which would be longer in  the more serious infections of Covid19, makes them more likely.    See: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4396894/   If yu lie in bed for more than 24 hours, you will have muscle weakness on getting up again!

The paper you quote is an observation, a report, it proves nothing, and tells nothing new.

Yes, we don't want to be infected or ventilated (by the time we get it, Peter, the triage will have excluded the over 70 anyway!) but that's sensible by itself.

John

Tks John,  That makes me even more detemined to avoid the ICU.  Peter

[john.r.davies]

 

[rcreweread]

This is quite sobering ! Hope the link works

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=6f816c5b2e&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-f:1663959350595141099&th=171792369ce9bdeb&view=att&disp=safe

 

Cheers Rich

[iain]

5 hours ago, john.r.davies said:

 

Like it John....I’m not sure the family medics will find it very amusing tho? It’s a touch close to the bone!