john.r.davies Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 "genetically Lancashire" Explains a lot, to me, anyway, Roger! But the words are 'fair' and 'proportional'. To lose almost all our suply is neither. John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 Hi John, it would appear that you had your fair share at the beginning. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john.r.davies Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 But, Roger, this is a Gov that says it wants to "level up" . Depriving the more enterprising areas is levelling down. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 John, you are being very childish. Accept that the world isn't fair and count your blessings. I've just spent an hour on the phone waiting to book in for the C19 jab on their request - A bl**dy hour waiting. When the young lady answered the phone it was obvious there was a problem. Can you phone back tomorrow. NO I can't (my mind had other words). Eventually after talking to others she said she would call back tomorrow. Now that would be shock. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john.r.davies Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 I am sorry, Roger that you and others have been on the receiving end of badly organised, lackaday, vaccine cock-ups! Really sorry, I mean it with all my heart. But how unlike the home life in our own dear Lancashire, where the worst complaint I've heard is that people had to queue outside for five minutes (it was very cold!). Before the staff opened up another room for them to wait in. We have the enterprise and the organisation, just no vaccine! John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peter Cobbold Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 A school friend my age 75 in Notts had his AZ jab yesterday. Meanwhile at the same latitude I have heard nowt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SuzanneH Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 43 minutes ago, john.r.davies said: I am sorry, Roger that you and others have been on the receiving end of badly organised, lackaday, vaccine cock-ups! Really sorry, I mean it with all my heart. But how unlike the home life in our own dear Lancashire, where the worst complaint I've heard is that people had to queue outside for five minutes (it was very cold!). Before the staff opened up another room for them to wait in. We have the enterprise and the organisation, just no vaccine! John Don’t keep rubbing it in, you have no idea what it’s like living in this part of London and it’s a very different population now. We are lucky if we can understand our GPS let alone them understand each other or their recorded phone messages we have to listen to. Our vaccinations will be carried out ( when we get an appointment) at The Nav Nat Centre, in two previous lives this used to be The EMI Social Club and then The BAA Social Club, this place is a religious centre now has a huge sports field and on at least two occasions has refused the local Catholic PrimarySchool use of the sports field for their sports day. Do you get the idea now? We keep telling you we have a huge population here, one you can’t even imagine the size of,or the complexity of coping with. High maintenance and demanding doesn’t even begin to describe it. Edited January 28, 2021 by SuzanneH Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peter Cobbold Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 https://vitamindforall.org/rollcall.html useful summary to email to your MP Peter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john.r.davies Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 Anyone else bother to watch the Royal Society webinar? Speakers were, Rino Rappuoli (Chief Scientist & head of external research and development at GlaxoSmithKline Vaccines), Melinda Mills ( Nuffield Professor of Sociology at Nuffield College, University of Oxford) and Charles Bangham( Professor of Immunology at Imperial College London) I took notes if anyone is interested. Not many surprises, except on "Herd Immunity" (HI) the proportion of the population who must be immune, through prior infection or vaccine, so that an epidemic cannot occur - it does NOT prevent sporadic infection. That proportion depends on the infectivity of the infection, which may be expressed as the R factor, the average number of people who catch it from one individual. Unsupressed by lockdown or vaccine, the R for Covid is 2-3, and the proportion is 60-70%. Measles on the other hand has an R of 12-15! And 90% must be vaccinated to prevent epidemic! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john.r.davies Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) I thought we were badly off for vaccine - just seen on BBC news that all vaccination appointments in Madrid, for the foreseeable, have been cancelled! Similar in my h of Germany and only 2% of Germans have had the jab. They attribute it to a slow EU to order their doses. Gosh! The Tories got something right! Edited January 28, 2021 by john.r.davies Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bleednipple Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 24 minutes ago, john.r.davies said: I thought we were badly off for vaccine - just seen on BBC news that all vaccination appointments in Madrid, for the foreseeable, have been cancelled! Similar in my h of Germany and only 2% of Germans have had the jab. They attribute it to a slow EU to order their doses. Gosh! The Tories got something right! Yes I'm not anti-EU but it looks like the Commission and the member states between them have substantially screwed up their vaccine procurement strategy so far. Or at least made some big bets that have gone against them. Now they've come together against a common 'enemy' which happens to be AZN but of course a proxy for antipathy towards the UK. Sad that politicians in several countries appear to be grandstanding on this, and I hope no British politician even thinks about gloating. There are too many lives in jeopardy or both sides of the Channel for that. Can only hope that the Novavax vaccine (just announced UK trials completed this evening) brings the day closer when everyone in te UK and Europe will get their jab. Nigel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iain Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 More good news this morning with 60million doses of the Novavax vaccine secured.....just needs a licence now. It would appear that the “UK” government has taken some risks with procurement, and backed manufacturers early and hence secured vaccine earlier than EU. Iain Quote Link to post Share on other sites
barkerwilliams Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 Yes the UK made some great decisions to do some pump priming funding over a number of companies, a great example of spread betting. I must agree with others that the EU only wished to spend after successful vaccine results. The EU should be hanging its head in shame for its lack of support to assist its own people. Alan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bleednipple Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, barkerwilliams said: Yes the UK made some great decisions to do some pump priming funding over a number of companies, a great example of spread betting. I must agree with others that the EU only wished to spend after successful vaccine results. The EU should be hanging its head in shame for its lack of support to assist its own people. Alan For anyone with a Times subscription there is a good article today on this: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-the-nimble-vaccine-task-force-that-left-global-rivals-trailing-in-its-wake-kpbqkpbrv. If you can't read it, basically it recounts how there was a set of fast decisions back in April/May. Priority was given to vaccine candidates that would reduce infection severity, and could be ready for market within a year. The big bets were placed, crucially for Pfizer and AZN, and commitments made back in May. Meanwhile the Commission and member states dithered for three months and also several of its chosen 'plays' didn't bear fruit, notably Sanofi. (Not sure what one can generalise about that, other than the pretty obvious fact that in an emergency a small group with a direct line to decision makers and willing to take risks is likely to out perform an unwieldy conglomeration with some competing internal interests.) Nigel [EDIT] Also, although not mentioned in the article but has been elsewhere, an irony was that UK govt were very concerned that US might restrict exports of its vaccines, if Trump had been re-elected. That focused attention on need for a 'home grown' option, ie Oxford/AZN which happened to come good. Edited January 29, 2021 by Bleednipple Quote Link to post Share on other sites
acaie Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 21 hours ago, john.r.davies said: Anyone else bother to watch the Royal Society webinar? Thanks for mentioning this. I will be watching it on YouTube Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ian Vincent Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 (edited) On 1/28/2021 at 10:07 PM, john.r.davies said: I thought we were badly off for vaccine - just seen on BBC news that all vaccination appointments in Madrid, for the foreseeable, have been cancelled! Similar in my h of Germany and only 2% of Germans have had the jab. They attribute it to a slow EU to order their doses. Gosh! The Tories got something right! I wasn't aware of us being badly off for vaccine. My wife and I are both 72 and have had ours, my cousin lives in New Malden and is 71 she is having hers on Sunday and taking along her Husband who is only 69 because they have plenty of spares. As has already been mentioned, the Times had a really good article on the vaccine spat this morning. See attached. Rgds Ian Coronavirus.pdf Edited January 30, 2021 by Ian Vincent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iain Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 Thanks for posting that Ian. A very nice summary of how we got ahead and why the EU are so far behind. Iain Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stillp Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 On 1/28/2021 at 10:59 AM, john.r.davies said: A little while ago, I told of my concern that the very successful Lancaster vaccination project had been halted by lack of vaccine supplies. Sorry John, but that seems like bad local management to me - an excess of resources compared to the supply does not mean you should receive a disproportionate supply. Pete Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stillp Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 On 1/28/2021 at 2:18 PM, RogerH said: I've just spent an hour on the phone waiting to book in for the C19 jab on their request - A bl**dy hour waiting. Just had my invitation letter so went on the NHS web site to book an appointment. Times were showing as available at Kenilworth mass vaccination centre on Sunday 31st, so picked one of those, went through to book the second dose, clicked to confirm, and got an error message saying that one of the dates/times I'd booked is no longer available, but without telling me which one! The only option was to go back to the beginning, select a place, select a date, select a time from the list of 'available' times - same result, same error message. Tried three times with different times, same uninformative error message each time. Eventually tried a different date, and succeeded. Posted this on a local Facebook group earlier today, and a few people have ignored the instruction to 'wait until invited' and phoned their GP, who has been able to book them into a more local vaccination centre. Never mind, at least I'll have the pleasure of a drive to Stoneleigh. Pete Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AndyR100 Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 My personal experience; SMS received from my GP this morning, included a link to the booking system. 3mins later appointment for first jab booked. Clear text informing me that my invitation for the second vaccination would be sent out in due course at the appropriate time. Efficient and easy to understand - thumbs-up from me, great job by all those involved. ....... Andy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 Hi Andy, for some reason my text message asked me to contact the surgery - hence the hour long wait on the phone. for no reason. Sue had a similar message from the surgery asking her to click on the link - job done in minutes (not 60+). Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AndyR100 Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 10 minutes ago, RogerH said: for some reason my text message asked me to contact the surgery I don’t know if the SMS notification services used by different practices is the same throughout the country (I suspect it would vary) The first part of the SMS I received did give a couple of GP contacts numbers, but said only needed to call if the recipient had any questions. The message then gave the booking link. I hope you both receive your vaccinations at the earliest opportunity. ...... Andy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 (edited) Hi Andy, Next week for both of us. 3rd Feb. Roger Edited January 29, 2021 by RogerH Quote Link to post Share on other sites
acaie Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 On 1/28/2021 at 7:26 PM, john.r.davies said: Anyone else bother to watch the Royal Society webinar? Speakers were, Rino Rappuoli (Chief Scientist & head of external research and development at GlaxoSmithKline Vaccines), Melinda Mills ( Nuffield Professor of Sociology at Nuffield College, University of Oxford) and Charles Bangham( Professor of Immunology at Imperial College London) I took notes if anyone is interested. Not many surprises, except on "Herd Immunity" (HI) the proportion of the population who must be immune, through prior infection or vaccine, so that an epidemic cannot occur - it does NOT prevent sporadic infection. That proportion depends on the infectivity of the infection, which may be expressed as the R factor, the average number of people who catch it from one individual. Unsupressed by lockdown or vaccine, the R for Covid is 2-3, and the proportion is 60-70%. Measles on the other hand has an R of 12-15! And 90% must be vaccinated to prevent epidemic! I found the webinar interesting and balanced, and in particular encouraging that these important influencers have a positive yet cautious view of the future. I don't think it told me very much I didn't know, except about how having shedloads of government cash available across the world made it possible for vaccines to be deveoped at 5 or 10 times the normal speed. Where various countries got things right on isolation, closing borders etc and we were indecesive and not strong enough, we got the vaccine thing right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mark V Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 On 1/18/2021 at 9:28 AM, barkerwilliams said: I have been taking Vitamin D supplements for well over ten years, perhaps over fifteen years, usually 4000 in the summer and 5000 in the winter. Well curiosity finally got the better of me and I sent off my sample for testing and received the results today. I was surprised by the result being so close to the bottom end of "good" and I have decided to up my winters daily dose to 8000 for a month or so then have a retest. My metabolism ratio is 10.5 dead centre in the good so I don't have a conversion issue or underlying problem. Although I know my result is good I would have liked/ expected it to be higher in the good range. For me with my lifestyle, diet or whatever I now really appreciate how dire the UK's recommendation of 400 units/day really is and I can only guess how poor my results would have been at the recommended dose level. Although I have not had a cold etc for years so I suspected my levels were ok I do not think I understood that I required such levels of supplementation just to make me "low-good". Aside from clean drinking water I do not believe that there is any other product that can do us all so much good at such an insignificantly low cost. I hope this might prompt others to take the test, the reassurance it gave me that I am on-track is wonderful. Alan I sent off a blood test to see my Vitamin D status, I've been taking 4000IU for almost a year (as has my wife) . Like Alan I was also surprised at my lower than expected results . My wife's result has not yet come through, the lab said they had experienced a high level of demand for this service. Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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