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14 minutes ago, Bleednipple said:

But there have indeed been 'magic bullets' for some diseases. Perhaps not a close equivalent but an obvious one would be scurvy: citrus fruit was effectively proved as virtually 100% preventative through observational studies in the 1740s and 50s, but nevertheless it took a further 40 years before the government formally adopted it as a prophylactic for issue to sailors. And in fact in the end it was naval commanders themselves who ordered its use, rather than the medical establishment who mostly continued to deny its efficacy.

The Guardian article linked above seems to me a decent summary of how a weight of opinion is shifting towards Vit D for covid prevention, while the health authorities dig in their heels. Nice may eventually be right but I must say I was particularly struck by their reported conclusion that "“For now, recommendations for vitamin D supplementation to lessen Covid-19 risks appear premature and, although they may cause little harm, they could provide false reassurance leading to changes in behaviour that increase risk of infections.” I couldn't help but recall the War Office's justification for not issuing parachutes to aircrew throughout the First World War "...because it might impair a pilot's nerve".

(Just for full disclosure, I've been taking D3 for quite a while, at about 1,500 IU/day. It might make no difference but I can personally see no downside.)

Nigel

 

Nigel, I take 4000 IU pd and cant see any downside, like many signatories ot the Open Letter. If you  dont get sniffles in winter 1500 is probably OK. 

I also plan to take 50,000 IU once a day for 3days at the first sign of flu or C-19, as per Schwalfenberg:

https://www.cfp.ca/content/61/6/507.long#fn-group-1

Belt and braces for me !

Peter

 

 

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Parliament to discuss D3 and Covid implications on Thursday late afternoon - a 30 min slot. No vote but further light into the dark, and maybe progress

 

You’re receiving this email because you signed this petition: “Boost Immunity by cutting vitamin D deficiency”.

 

You recently signed the petition “Boost Immunity by cutting vitamin D deficiency”:
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MPs will debate Vitamin D and covid-19 mitigation on Thursday 14 January in the main House of Commons chamber. This is an Adjournment debate, determined by the Speaker.

Adjournment debates are half-hour debates at the end of each day's sitting. They are an opportunity for an individual backbench MP to raise an issue and receive a response from the relevant Minister, however they do not end in a vote nor can they change the law.

The debate will start at around 5.00pm after the conclusion of the debate on the effect of covid-19 on dental services.

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Don't hold your breath, probably more thinking from the 1920's and the role of VitD in curing rickets. I hope David Davis is leading this and Hancock is listening for a change.

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Sadly there is a lot of blood on someones hands and a lot of egg on many faces.  How can they do a U turn!!!

The Gov't will mess around with isolation here and there with no known proven history

They will recommend a drug (Dexamethasone) with little research for C19

But they ignore a mass of small trials and research involving 1000's of patients and no (as far as I know)  failed results.

 

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The petition is asking for free Vit( hormone)D for the elderly and vulnerable, which they are already giving( last date to apply for this was yesterday) but they are not giving the correct dose and the petition does not mention the correct dose...........!!,

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46 minutes ago, SuzanneH said:

The petition is asking for free Vit( hormone)D for the elderly and vulnerable, which they are already giving( last date to apply for this was yesterday) but they are not giving the correct dose and the petition does not mention the correct dose...........!!,

I agree Suzanne but to be fair the petition is written as below.

Boost Immunity by cutting vitamin D deficiency

The UK has high vitamin D deficiency rates especially in BAME, obese, poor, institutionalised & older groups most affected by Covid-19. Vitamin D is vital for immunity. The Government should fund provision of vitamin D supplements and promote safe summer sun exposure to achieve optimal blood levels.

It only says..."especially" for the elderly and vulnerable, which means the statement should be considered in the whole which means for the benefit of the entire population. 

At least the debate should allow these facts of underprovion and underdosing to be discussed and will especially if David Davis is involved, he has a keen grasp of the Vit D question and will ensure it is brought out.

Mick Richards

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4 minutes ago, Motorsport Mickey said:

I agree Suzanne but to be fair the petition is written as below.

Boost Immunity by cutting vitamin D deficiency

The UK has high vitamin D deficiency rates especially in BAME, obese, poor, institutionalised & older groups most affected by Covid-19. Vitamin D is vital for immunity. The Government should fund provision of vitamin D supplements and promote safe summer sun exposure to achieve optimal blood levels.

It only says..."especially" for the elderly and vulnerable, which means the statement should be considered in the whole which means for the benefit of the entire population. 

At least the debate should allow these facts of underprovion and underdosing to be discussed and will especially if David Davis is involved, he has a keen grasp of the Vit D question and will ensure it is brought out.

Mick Richards

Let’s hope so Fingers well and truly crossed.

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David  Davis is leading.

The petition got nowhere near the 10,000 signatures to guarantee automatic debate so something might be going on behind the scenes. Hoping my MP David Jones will wade in with the info I have been feeding him the past ten months. Hoping too Duncan Baker ( north Norfolk) supports , my sister has ensured he is informed.

I shall be looking for statements scuh as " I take 4000 IU per day personally"  DD takes 6000 !!

Fingers crossed a journalist runs with it.

Peter

 

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Excellent article in today's Guardian from Prof. Gabriel Scally (Public Health specialist), analyssing the repeated failings by Government that have led us into this Pit of Despair.     His major criticism is that the inputs into and actions taken by Gov have been those of the clinician treating individuals, rather than those of the public health doctor treating populations.     But I suppose many will groan, "Well, he would say that anyway."  

But read his words, he has some good points: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/11/england-covid-crisis-government-magic-bullet

Gin

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2 hours ago, barkerwilliams said:

What the beer companies knew in 1936 the NHS still denies.

2020 Mantra is "Keep 'em sick, keep 'em dependant"

Alan

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Article/CS2859

 

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Michael Holick worked at Madison Wisconsin in late 60s-70s and discovered the active form of D3 eghttps://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/578861

He is a signatory to the Open Letter

At 100 IU per bottle the contribution of Schlitz to health would be marginal !!

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John,

I agree with some of the article, the first government reactions were against an unknown threat sweeping across Europe and no one had experience, since then there has been no "tailored" approach to the actual damage we have seen the virus cause. We have stuck to a single isolation policy with a little relaxation for the areas with fewer infections, a policy designed to level up all areas to the same levels of infection. Just a holding operation until a vaccine is available maintaining an economy that is open enough to match the NHS ability to accommodate the casualties. However that is all water under the bridge, the country appears to be at peak infection and the government needs to be fully accountable for a smooth, efficient, comprehensive vaccine rollout This surely is where the focus and effort needs to be to bring the biggest benefits.

I disagree with the ports / airports part of the article. When the covid started Heathrow alone had something like 81 million passengers a year and nowhere in the world  had the capacity then to test anything approaching that number, and what tests there were available took a few days to produce results, testing would have been too little, too late. Stopping all travellers as per New Zealand would have been reasonably effective but only before the infection was in the country but then the virus was up and running here before action could be taken. In 2020 even after closing of the airports for months  Heathrow still handled 21 million passengers a substantial number of tests.

I am surprised that recently the new virulent strain of covid was not contained but the NHS decided to distribute it around the country moving infectious patients to the West Country (certainly) and   Scotland (I believe) for treatment not a good policy. By then the Nightingale hospitals in London, Cardiff (at least) had been dismantled and only recently being rebuilt.

In truth though what real difference would any policies have made, our only available tool was to slow down the infection rate until a vaccine became available?

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Thnak you, Alan!  You used NZ as an example, which might have been extended to Australia, Taiwan, Singapore etc, and of course, China!  Many that have kept it at bay have been small islands - which makes the UK Gov's inept response all the more inexcusable.

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43 minutes ago, barkerwilliams said:

^ broken link

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landia/article/PIIS2213-8587(21)00003-6/fulltext

we see that even when given anonymity the author dare not question NICE dictats in any meaningful depth especially NICE exclusion of all studies except for RCTs, and those are never eliminated for inadequate dosage bearing no  resemblance to physiology.

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On 1/12/2021 at 10:36 AM, RogerH said:

Sadly there is a lot of blood on someones hands and a lot of egg on many faces.  How can they do a U turn!!!

The Gov't will mess around with isolation here and there with no known proven history

They will recommend a drug (Dexamethasone) with little research for C19

But they ignore a mass of small trials and research involving 1000's of patients and no (as far as I know)  failed results.

 

Roger

 

Have a read Roger, the Nice guidance for Dexamethasone really is for those unfortunate ones in the last chance saloon. 

https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng159/resources/covid19-prescribing-briefing-corticosteroids-pdf-8839913581

 

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BBC Parliament tomorrow Thursday 5 pm

Debate on D3 for Covid-19 led by David Davis MP.

Maybe this will be a turning point.....

....but I have learned not to hold my breath.

Peter

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18 hours ago, iain said:

Have a read Roger, the Nice guidance for Dexamethasone really is for those unfortunate ones in the last chance saloon. 

https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng159/resources/covid19-prescribing-briefing-corticosteroids-pdf-8839913581

 

Iain

Hi Ian,

but they are still tweaking it as they have no choice

Wouldn't it make more sense to give healthy people a comparably harmless pill at such a dosage that will keep them out of hospital/ICU

The Hormone VitD3 has still had more research for C19 and positive outcomes than Dexamethasone.

 

I cant see why they are holding back

 

Roger

 

 

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38 minutes ago, RogerH said:

Hi Ian,

but they are still playing with it as they have no choice

Wouldn't it make more sense to give healthy people a comparably harmless pill at such a dosage that will keep them out of hospital/ICU

The Hormone VitD3 has still had more research for C19 and positive outcomes than Dexamethasone.

 

I cant see why they are holding back

 

Roger

 

 

Roger, I can, and its the same argument as my fellow activist's vituperative email going the rounds:

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There is action within government, the greatest government move of all. The cover-up. Machiavelli alive and well.

Exactly the same is happening in Ireland.

 

3 million Covid-19 cases and 80,000 Covid-19 deaths.

You might think that this would be the centre of the government’s health and the NHS attention. But not so.

 

On January 8th the NHS saw fit to try to protect the population not against Covid-19 but of all things against the very rare bone conditions of rickets and osteomalacia, soft bendy bones. These are due to profound vitamin D deficiency but although common 100 years ago are now staggeringly rare. Why should the government do this? It is obvious.

 

The NHS leaders and government advisors have realised that they have made a mistake of mega proportions, responsible for thousands of deaths. On countless occasions SACN, NICE, SAGE, PHE etc have denied the role of vitamin D in the escalation of defensive immunity, and they continue to dos so. As I said early, NICE etc has been digging hole of vitamin D denial, and has perhaps found a way to emerge. 

 

What the fly on the wall heard: “We can no longer deny the importance of vitamin D. We must encourage the use of vitamin D and provide it. But how can we do this without losing face and appearing to be idiots? What we must do is pretend that there is an epidemic not just of Covid-19 but also of rickets and osteomalacia! Then we can give vitamin D to the population with even mentioning the words immunity and Covid-19”

And so it came to pass, with on January 8th:

What was written for all to see: "During autumn and winter, everyone is advised to take vitamin D to keep their bones and muscles healthy and to support their general health. This is particularly important if you've been indoors over the spring and summer as you may not have been getting enough vitamin D from sunlight."

 

Roger, it's face-saving, at the expense of life saving. Peter

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On Nov 6 the elderly in nursing homes In Andalucia were given oral calcifediol ( 25(OH)D3 which acts quicker than oral D3) Dosage not given. Here is a plot of deaths,  updated to today

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No vaccinations, no change to isolation. This is D3 in action, saving lives.

Peter

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Interesting to hear sir Patrick valance just now on the Peston prog.

In answer to a question from a viewer in Essex,” why are we not being recommended to take vitamin D to fight COVID-19?”

his response was “ the evidence for vitamin D protecting against COVID-19 is questionable at best.”

He further went on to say that it does have its place, and we are recommending it to protect against a whole host of important medical conditions.

Thanks Patrick, I for one am not convinced and will continue with my 5000iu........

 

 

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4 hours ago, Bobbie said:

Interesting to hear sir Patrick valance just now on the Peston prog.

In answer to a question from a viewer in Essex,” why are we not being recommended to take vitamin D to fight COVID-19?”

his response was “ the evidence for vitamin D protecting against COVID-19 is questionable at best.”

He further went on to say that it does have its place, and we are recommending it to protect against a whole host of important medical conditions.

Thanks Patrick, I for one am not convinced and will continue with my 5000iu........

 

 

Tks Bobbie, have sent your post on to the D3 Campaign group

Vallance has personally invested £600K in a vaccine company.

Peter

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