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4 hours ago, David Brancaleone said:

Thank you. So it sounds like a practical mod then. But forgive me for asking, I am a genuine ignoramus, the crankase? Isn't that where the crank is situated? But the rubber hoses are connected to the rocker cover? I don't understand. But feel free to ignore my ignorance. Fumes would be hot air. Not as good as thicker, cold air. Is that correct? So.. confusion still reigns in my brain box.

Fumes from the crankcase are free to move up to the rocker cover area via the pushrod tubes.

Volume very small compared to the cold air passing through the carburetter, 

Bob

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If you can wrangle a length of cord or wire down and under the bottom (layshaft) gears and try lifting the gear cluster. Try at each end. If there is any up and down movement the shaft and bearings ha

Hi all, 15 years after buying my TR6, a spitfire, an abandoned TR6 project and many Land Rovers later, I'm finally back in a TR! A 1956 TR3 with a rather flashy colour scheme. A huge thanks

I just need to paint the chassis where its sitting on the lift pads but other than that...  Mission accomplished! 

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6 hours ago, Lebro said:

Fumes from the crankcase are free to move up to the rocker cover area via the pushrod tubes.

Volume very small compared to the cold air passing through the carburetter, 

Bob

But of course! But aren't those fumes oily (a good thing for lubrication)? 

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Hey, Eli, how's the car?

How are you? And yours?

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9 hours ago, David Brancaleone said:

Hey, Eli, how's the car?

How are you? And yours?

Hi David, we're fine here, thanks. Adapting to this strange new world.

I had a cracking drive just before the lockdown. 

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I've shuttered the production side of my business and sent everyone home indefinitely. Our clients are hotels and restaurants in France, the UK, Switzerland, Hong Kong and Singapore. Needless to say, I'm not expecting much in the way of orders over the next few months. 

My better half is on holiday this week so we're both making the most of the spring sunshine. We're lucky that we have a garden and a house. My brother and his girlfriend live in a one bed flat in Paris, 2 weeks of being mostly indoors isn't going to be much fun for them. 

I go to the office from time to time but I don't take the tr3. I don't think the gendarmes would be too impressed right now. 

I'm expecting a full trim kit in black for the car today! Of course I realised last night that the new dash covering is for a lhd car :(

I've got lots of admin to do and a list of chores to sort out around the house but I should have a (mostly!) black interior by the end of the confinement period. 

I also ordered a pair of corbeau classic seats in black but UPS had a freakout and didn't deliver. 

I'll post photos of the trim installation as I go along. Hopefully I won't cock it up too much!

I hope that you and all the TRR family are keeping well! 

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16 minutes ago, EliTR6 said:

We're lucky that we have a garden and a house. My brother and his girlfriend live in a one bed flat in Paris, 2 weeks of being mostly indoors isn't going to be much fun for them. 

Except, realistically, it isn't going to be two weeks . I think it will be reviewed in tranches of two weeks.

I agree about not using the TR. Whilst I could, like you, use it for shopping it would attract the wrong attention.

Keep safe.

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2 hours ago, TwinCamJohn said:

Except, realistically, it isn't going to be two weeks . I think it will be reviewed in tranches of two weeks.

I agree about not using the TR. Whilst I could, like you, use it for shopping it would attract the wrong attention.

Keep safe.

I heard 45 days initially. Let's hope it doesn't come to that. Hope you're also managing to enjoy life despite everything that's going on

Quick question: should I remove the old glue from the trim fittings? I've got some acetone in the shed somewhere...

Thanks!

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I have a large sous sol and the cars and workshop are under the house. A large garden backing on to fields and the river Boutonne. This means we can exercise walking along the river and still be within the legal proximité of the house. I did get some "motorsport" this morning. I fired up the motoculteur and dug over the vegetable garden.:D

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47 minutes ago, EliTR6 said:

I heard 45 days initially. Let's hope it doesn't come to that. Hope you're also managing to enjoy life despite everything that's going on

Quick question: should I remove the old glue from the trim fittings? I've got some acetone in the shed somewhere...

Thanks!

Don't know. But as to the lockdowns, it seems to me that these timeframes are short-term because the authorities have no idea. One suspects it will longer. Realistically, I can't see myself back in college before September. It'll all be online until the end of the semester in June. I live in Ireland, but my heart goes out to my country, Italy, where the situation is tragic for so many families. The much maligned Chinese donated 400,000 masks and sent a number of doctors to Italy. Someone made a comment about not driving his TR. I would if I could.

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6 hours ago, EliTR6 said:

It's happening!!! 

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Lovely day for it too

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This last bit has got me flummoxed 

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Eli, came across this thread relevant to your glue question.

I'm no expert, but how many times do we come across instructions to clean mating serfaces as thoroughly as we can before applying adhesive?

From experience, I would prefer not to glue floor carpets, but find a way to secure them with fasteners of some kind. If they get soggy, they need removing, so that footwells can be aired, dried, and don't start rusting.

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5 hours ago, David Brancaleone said:

Eli, came across this thread relevant to your glue question.

I'm no expert, but how many times do we come across instructions to clean mating serfaces as thoroughly as we can before applying adhesive?

From experience, I would prefer not to glue floor carpets, but find a way to secure them with fasteners of some kind. If they get soggy, they need removing, so that footwells can be aired, dried, and don't start rusting.

Thanks David! 

I went ahead without cleaning the old glue off. It has been a bit of rushed job so far as I have a lot of work to do even if it's from home. And I have acetone here but that's it. No heat gun, no thinners and no DIY shops open. 

The bits I've covered aren't perfect but they will do for now. 

And it looks so much better in black! 

I hope to finish all the cappings by the end of the weekend and then I can start dismantling the dash. 

 

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2 hours ago, EliTR6 said:

Thanks David! 

I went ahead without cleaning the old glue off. It has been a bit of rushed job so far as I have a lot of work to do even if it's from home. And I have acetone here but that's it. No heat gun, no thinners and no DIY shops open. 

The bits I've covered aren't perfect but they will do for now. 

And it looks so much better in black! 

I hope to finish all the cappings by the end of the weekend and then I can start dismantling the dash. 

 

Gosh! You don't waste time, do you? Careful with cappings. Ugly finish, if wrinkled. There's a way to stretch them. I saw a thread here.

Agree on colour. Was very traditional colour scheme the red and black contrast. But strident what with the green being a lighter hue, Triumph green, not Connaught or BRG which I prefer. All depends. I would also seriously consider a roll bar. A necessary evil and vital precaution, in my view.

Maybe the red trim doesn't need to go to waste? Might help someone else?

 

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David, yes the red trim should be going to a good home, thanks 

I'm probably a 3rd of the way through the retrim. What a nightmare job! 

DIY shops are all closed around here but I managed to assemble a hole finder that has made life a bit easier.

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I'm pleased with the results so far. It's not perfect but it looks good enough! 

I'm going to tidy up the garage, etc before finishing the dash capping and starting on the driver's side 

Stay safe everyone! 

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33 minutes ago, EliTR6 said:

David, yes the red trim should be going to a good home, thanks 

I'm probably a 3rd of the way through the retrim. What a nightmare job! 

DIY shops are all closed around here but I managed to assemble a hole finder that has made life a bit easier.

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I'm pleased with the results so far. It's not perfect but it looks good enough! 

I'm going to tidy up the garage, etc before finishing the dash capping and starting on the driver's side 

Stay safe everyone! 

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Looks pretty smart to me!

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On 3/20/2020 at 9:57 AM, David Brancaleone said:

I would also seriously consider a roll bar. A necessary evil and vital precaution, in my view

 

Thinking about one... But they really spoil the lines of the car. 

Only have the 3 drivers side cappings left to do and the door card so thinking about the next job. 

Does everyone recover the centre console? I think I might tackle the crackle paint! 

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18 hours ago, EliTR6 said:

Thinking about one... But they really spoil the lines of the car. 

Only have the 3 drivers side cappings left to do and the door card so thinking about the next job. 

Does everyone recover the centre console? I think I might tackle the crackle paint! 

In one thread, I think it was one of the Wise Men, Stuart, who made the point very incisively of how easy it is to roll the car, even at remarkably slow speeds. Never happened to me in the 2, though I would have "deserved" it. When I purchased the car, OGB 800, it was equipped with one which I promptly removed, for the very same reason. I was wrong and I was very lucky.

These days, I have changed my mind. More power, but more safety as well.

In my experience, sidescreen TRs aren't particularly unstable, except for the rear end. But this, in my opinion, can be very convenient.  Consider too the imponderables, oil slicks, other drivers texting, ice.... I would seriously heed their advice.

But to each his own.

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12 hours ago, David Brancaleone said:

These days, I have changed my mind. More power, but more safety as well.

But to each his own.

 

100% agree with you David but it looks like very few of the cars on the road today have them fitted.

I've spent hours combing through google images and instagram searching for side-profile photos of a TR3 with roll over bar that  doesn't ruin the looks of the car. Haven't found anything of interest yet.

 

 

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33 minutes ago, EliTR6 said:

 

100% agree with you David but it looks like very few of the cars on the road today have them fitted.

I've spent hours combing through google images and instagram searching for side-profile photos of a TR3 with roll over bar that  doesn't ruin the looks of the car. Haven't found anything of interest yet.

 

 

I know. There is one type which is not so tubular. It's squashed oval shape in section. They look cooler.

I see it as a necessity. Unless, of course, the TR becomes reified into a sculpture to put on a pedestal or trailer to Concours events, doing no more than a few hundred miles a year, as so many seem to be subjected to these days, judging from the for sale ads. Cars kept under wraps, frozen in aesthetic time...

Then reality hits you sometimes literally... so I prefer to have piece of mind. If it begins to look like a rally car, then go rallying!

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It’s not the roll bar that makes it look Racy it’s the numbers.

but if it does look too racy cover it up. 
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1 hour ago, Hamish said:

It’s not the roll bar that makes it look Racy it’s the numbers.

but if it does look too racy cover it up. 
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Beautiful. Really nicely done. Actually, I like both very much. Must admit, the roundels look smashing!

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7 hours ago, EliTR6 said:

 

100% agree with you David but it looks like very few of the cars on the road today have them fitted.

I've spent hours combing through google images and instagram searching for side-profile photos of a TR3 with roll over bar that  doesn't ruin the looks of the car. Haven't found anything of interest yet.

 

 

Only reason very few cars today have them fitted is a lack of appreciation of the risks. Alec Pringle who posted often on this forum had a sad experience and was able to write to the Traction magazine with it's consequences.

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If you still feel the "lines" of a TR sidescreen car are compromised by fitting one let your wife/girlfriend or significant other read Alecs post here...see what they say. If you think you'd rather not cross that bridge...then maybe you have your answer without going further into it.

But to help you further here are a couple of photos pinched from the Triumph Experience site of a sidescreen car having a bar tailor made for a certain Andrew Uprichard in the US (answers for unasked questions...yes he is, Uncle/nephew I think).

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and another view

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and when nearly completed

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Don't have a photo with a sidescreen in motion but try this one from JimG in the US with a similar bar on a TR4

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Looking good and easy to imagine the same configuration upon a sidescreen TR. Counter intuitively this isn't the view you often get from a TR just before it starts sliding sideways and flips over with drivers arms flapping and mirrors and doors coming off.

I've seen 3 TRs roll over, all when they were racing and in each case the cars has spun and scrubbed almost...almost... all their speed off, "that's lucky" you think, then the final sub 30mph inertia effort just being enough (similar to swerving around a car emerging from a side street, or dodging a kamikaze hedgehog road wandering) that as the car hit the kerb or grass verge the wheels tripped on it and the car slowly rolled over (twice in one incident). The roll over bar combined with the rear alloy firewall is the best bang you can spend for a TR for safety, forget your 4 pot callipers, magnesium wheels and alloy sumps and multi point harness safety belts (without a roll bar they just keep you nicely positioned for the coup de grace). The roll bar even helps prevent a Transit 3.5 ton van side impact from collapsing the cockpit of the car squashing the fuel tank and spraying you with fuel and the alloy rear firewall (about £60ish from many of the specialists) will do it's job helping prevent the 10 gallons of finest 95Ron in the split fuel tank from flooding through and cooking the inhabitants.  

Asthetic principles are all very well but driving a 60 year old car without any of the modern safety principles of crumple zones or soft furnishing and comprehensive air bags demands a degree of defensive thinking and driving.

Mick Richards

 

 

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3 hours ago, Lebro said:

My only thing against them is getting a tonneau to fit & be watertight.

Bob.

 

This is how I solved it, overlapping "flaps" and Velcro strips, also a "neck with Velcro strips around the legs of the roll over bar. Local shoemaker helped making the modification. Not 100 % watertight, but close to.

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Very neat, just the job to encourage you to use it.

Mick Richards

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