Clutch

[Corkery11]

Hi, new to the forum but hoping to pick some brains.

Recently purchased a wreck of a Tr3 and have just started what promises to be a lengthy restoration. I am gathering parts and am curious as to whether or not a Series 2 Landrover clutch fits the Tr3? I am hopong so as they are a lot cheaper ... is there a Tr3 mark up on parts?

Ta Mark

 

[John Morrison]

Hi mark,

and welcom eto the forum, if you are involve dwith a Tr3 restoration, you'll find lot sof help here.

Don't know about a series 2 L/R clutch fits, but I wouldn't have said there would be much of a mark up on Tr stuff really.

Let us know if you find to the contrary.

John.

[Corkery11]

Hi John thanks for the reply.

I've seen some E bay listings which claim to be for Tr3 and landrover and if I then search using LAND ROVER SERIES 2A 9" PLATE & COVER CLUTCH KIT - DA2369 it shows as being from £72 which is about £100 less than what visually appears to be Tr3.kit.  Presumably I won't get to be that lucky and some spring or other will be incompatible. 

I seem to remember an article in one of the Classic car mags where metallastic bushes for a Morris Minor were the same as those for an Aston but the cardboard box for the Aston parts resulted in a multiplied price.

Cheers Mark

[John Morrison]

Hey Mark, not saying it doesn't happen, but I used to run used Jags,  so in comparison -ouch.

As I said others will be along to advise, but my tuppence worth would be that as its a pain, to pull the gearbox, it has to come through the cockpit, I would buy the best

clutch components, you will want a perfect crosshaft and tapered pin and the fork crossdrilled and roll pinned, then its really hopefully fit and forget.

John.

[BlueTR3A-5EKT]

Unipart no GCC127 certainly is the clutch cover for the TR and LR

https://www.lrseries.com/591705-CLUTCH-COVER-PRESSURE-PLATE-ASSY-NEW-REPLACEMENT?search=Clutch cover

Peter W

[TwinCamJohn]

I suppose the question is....where was it made ?

[Ian Vincent]

FWIW if anyone is interested I have a S/H clutch cover and flywheel for a TR3a sitting on the flor of my shed gathering dust. FOC to a good home

Rgds Ian

[Richardtr3a]

I hope that you enjoy the rebuild TR 3 project, which is good fun once you have struggled to get it on the road and you are finally cruising down the country lanes on a club outing. It took me a very long time to finish my car and I was starting with a new chassis.

There are a number of specialists who will overhaul your parts and fittings, and get it right first time. I can help you with most of them, i.e. carburetors, distributor, fuel pump etc. My first engine builder had the cylinder liners at the wrong height and the car would overheat over 60 mph. An uprated radiator and a proper engine build solved it. There are also some improvements that you can do to help it run well. Ethanol petrol will be a  challenge but you have some more hurdles to get over before you finish. Maybe you can never finish ??

There are a number of members on the forum who have many years of experience and know most answers.Some have been in the TR restoration business and are very experienced. I will recommend contacts if you need any help.

Good luck

Richard& B.

[Corkery11]

Thanks all for the replies.

Hadn't realised I'd have to pull it through the cockpit. There's an incentive to get it right.

Interesting information thanks Pete. 

Richard thanks for the offer very much a case of who you know a lot of the time so no doubt I'll be in touch. I enjoy trying to wrestle a pile of rusty bits into some semblance of a car and presently have an Austin 8 and a 69 Spitfire on the drive. One of them will have to go soon .... perhaps.

The Tr3 is a rusty wreck by came with mostly new chrome, new leather seats, much of the engine work done, five new wire wheels, new loom, new stainless tank, new radiator and thousands of pounds worth of  new panels. Trouble is I keep reading get the best most rust free she'll you can. Didn't get  that memo in time.

[Colin Fairhurst]

I purchased brake shoe linings for my Triumph Roadster which were listed on eBay @ £64.50 per axle set and were also listed for the Land Rover series 2 @ £12.99  per axle set.  Both incl. rivets and shipping.

Exactly the same, in the same box and with the same stock/part number on the box and are exactly the same parts. 

No prizes for guessing which I did purchase.

I have found this to be the case with a number of parts for vehicles depending on the model. Back in the 1970s I had a Audi Coupe S which was a much more expensive coupe version of the Audi 100 saloon. The dealerships had different part numbers for the same parts for each model and the coupe parts listed cost four times as much as the saloon for the same part.

Again, no prizes.

Regards. Colin

 

[Corkery11]

Thanks for that Colin. Would love to get the different parts side by side so I could see for myself.

[Ian Vincent]

2 hours ago, Colin Fairhurst said:

I purchased brake shoe linings for my Triumph Roadster which were listed on eBay @ £64.50 per axle set and were also listed for the Land Rover series 2 @ £12.99  per axle set.  Both incl. rivets and shipping.

Exactly the same, in the same box and with the same stock/part number on the box and are exactly the same parts. 

No prizes for guessing which I did purchase.

I have found this to be the case with a number of parts for vehicles depending on the model. Back in the 1970s I had a Audi Coupe S which was a much more expensive coupe version of the Audi 100 saloon. The dealerships had different part numbers for the same parts for each model and the coupe parts listed cost four times as much as the saloon for the same part.

Again, no prizes.

Regards. Colin

 

Again back in the 70s I had a friend with a Porsche 356.  I was working on a construction project in West London near to the then Porsche main dealer and he asked my to purchase a set of suspension bushes so that he could make a note of the VW part number before I returned them next day.

I can't remember the price differential but it was significant.

Rgds Ian

[billy l]

If memory serves didn't someone on here start a list of interchangeable parts from different cars that fit TR's a few years ago?  If I'm wrong, it would be a great idea if we had one?

Cheers, Bill.

[ianc]

Back in the 1970s when I was the Technical Editor, Ian Gibson wrote a series of articles on Interchangeability, but the focus then was mainly on other Standard and Triumph models which could provide parts to keep one's TR on the road (few, if any, members had any car other than the TR, so it had to be kept running).

Ian Cornish

[Tim T]

When I had my first TR5 back in the late 70s I had an original Stanpart Parts list ring binder and I think that it had an index listing all other vehicles that used the same part against each part number. I remember going up to the scrappie and looking for either Atlas or Commer vans. That list must be out there somewhere.

Conrad - you must have it as I sold it with the car and you ended up with the car albeit 30 years later!!!!!!!

Tim

[Corkery11]

Hi Ian can the articles be found online and can you recall if there was interchangeability regarding Tr and Land Rover clutches?

That Stanpart file would be good to see.

Mark

[stuart]

Theyre used to be a register publication which cross referenced parts from TR`s across the other models, had a yellow cover IIRC but Im sure theyre wasnt that much in there worth bothering with.

Stuart.

[BlueTR3A-5EKT]

11 hours ago, Tim T said:

When I had my first TR5 back in the late 70s I had an original Stanpart Parts list ring binder and I think that it had an index listing all other vehicles that used the same part against each part number. I remember going up to the scrappie and looking for either Atlas or Commer vans. That list must be out there somewhere.

Conrad - you must have it as I sold it with the car and you ended up with the car albeit 30 years later!!!!!!!

Tim

That would probably have been the Unipart buyers guide that covered most common items like brakes, ignition, clutches.  These books still exist and pop up at auctions and boot sales.  To my knowledge there is not a direct interchange for the more diverse items,  like the rubber grommet that goes round the spike of the TR4/5 surrey soft top frame that fits into screen capping.  It is as near as spit to the rubber grommet that fits to the spike support on the back of the radio in a MGF.  This sort of knowledge takes years to acquire. 

There is a web page that links OE numbers to manufacturers numbers for things like bearings and seals. Be aware you are putting in part numbers that could be 60 years out of date and you are at the mercy of a manufacturers interpretation. Part number matching does not ensure quality which is why Moss add a letter Z to the end of part numbers to signify alternative cheap repro item.

Now try this....

First type in your OE number here  https://www.yoyopart.com/       (I use GCS101 TR3-6 points set) 

It takes you to KAKA http://www.kakapart.com/search/defaultsearch/GCS101

Have fun.

Peter W

[Z320]

sorry, mistake

Edited December 16, 2019 by Z320

[ianc]

I included Ian Gibson's articles on Interchangeability as Section D in the Technicalities booklet which I published in 1976, but none of this information seems to appear on the Technicalities CD, probably because the donor cars at which Ian was looking back then  (mainly Vanguard, Ensign and Sportsman) have now become as rare as TRs!

Ian Cornish