Neil J Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 Can anyone help with where I may be able to get a (TR4A) LH door lock assembly please? Many thanks in anticipation, John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 Hi Neil, exactly what do you need. Moss do most parts https://www.moss-europe.co.uk/shop-by-model/triumph/tr2-4a/body-chassis/doors-fittings/doors-fittings-tr4-4a.html The barrels are available but you have to buy a complete set. I have a some parts that your are welcome to if I know what you need. TRGB, TR TRafers, TRBitz etc do plenty of second hand parts. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tthomson Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 I may have one. I'll check and get back to you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tthomson Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 Yes I have a TR4A handle with all the bits (including a key), but I don't know if it is RH or LH. However, I have all the parts that set the handle either way. Kind regards Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tthomson Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 Just to be clear, I only have the handle with it's integral lock, not the external parts of the door locking device. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Geko Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 An original would be better as the repros protrude a bit and don't have the engraving "to lock" with the arrow Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 3 hours ago, tthomson said: Yes I have a TR4A handle with all the bits (including a key), but I don't know if it is RH or LH. However, I have all the parts that set the handle either way. Kind regards Tony Hi Tony, on the handle back plate there is NS and OS cast into the ali plate. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tthomson Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 Hi Roger, Thanks for your info. I had not registered the relevance of the terms, despite seeing the letters! (I read them upside down as SO and SN, which was stupid of me.) Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ianc Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 You are not stupid Tony (anything but) - it's the use of antiquated terminology that is daft and misleading. Surely, Near Side (NS) in the UK must be Off Side (OS) in countries where vehicles drive on the right? The only logical and unambiguous system is to use the terms Left and Right, as viewed from the driver's seat facing forward (which is the way I prefer to drive). Ian Cornish Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 ...or perhaps Port & Starboard Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ianc Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 Interesting thought, Roger, do the Americans have Port on the left? Ian Cornish Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 ...no - they have left and right. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neil J Posted July 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 Roger and Tom, Thanks very much for your responses. Apologies for the delay in responding to you, but we have our daughter and new granddaughter staying with us plus I've been doing a couple of airport runs, so my wife tells me that TR things are not high on the agenda, if you know what I mean……. but now I've sneaked to the computer ! It's not the external door handles and locks that I have a problem with. My issue is with the LH door securing mechanism. I'll try and describe it. There is an assembly covered by an external plate fitted into the end panel of the door at the B post end. The assembly is variously called a 'door latch assembly' in the Rimmers catalogue. A 'rotary lock (LH or RH)' in the Moss catalogue, and a 'door restraint' in the workshop manual. The external plate covers the assembly ( push fit into the panel - not a very good one). There is a spindle protruding from the assemble on the end of which is a cog which rolls onto the striker plate on the B post and secures the door. Released via a horizontal (ish) rod to the internal door handle and a vertical lever to the push button on the external door handle. I hope this makes sense? Briefly I was at an event a week or so ago. I opened the passenger door OK but could not get it to fasten shut again. After removing the plate there was nothing immediately amiss. I had to hold the door closed with a bungee wrapped around the external handle and the seat frame to get home. Stupidly I did not re-fit the plate before driving home and when I got there, hey presto, no cog ! The assembley is NCA with Moss and Rimmers. I've tried the TRGB web-site but not phoned them yet, or the other potential suppliers you mentioned Roger. I'll try them in the morning. John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 Hi John, I'll look in my box tomorrow. I'm sure there is something there. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rcreweread Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 Neil - I was going to suggest try Conrad but felt sure I've seen one on ebay - if this is what you are after : https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Triumph-Tr4-and-4A-Os-Door-Latch/223588323931?hash=item340ee7125b:g:je0AAOSwvdFcM7HL guess what- it's Conrad selling it ! - if you want his contact details, let me know cheers Rich Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 On 7/16/2019 at 11:09 AM, Neil J said: Can anyone help with where I may be able to get a (TR4A) LH door lock assembly please? Many thanks in anticipation, John John requires a nearside (RHD) door lock. The above ebay link is for Offside. I'm sure Conrad will have the other side somewhere. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
qkingston Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 22 hours ago, RogerH said: ...no - they have left and right. Roger And port and starboard, but their navigational buoyage system is back to front! David Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neil J Posted July 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 Guys, Attached are some photos of my defunct LH door lock. The first is the door lock mechanism, minus the cog that dropped off. The next two are of the plate that fits over that (outside and inside view). The next, the RH lock (drivers door) with the cog and plate in place, and finally the LH door lock mechanism looking rearwards from the inside of the door. (a) Looking at the W/S manual there is no obvious view of the covering plate being a separate item, or if it is, how it's meant to be secured other than a push fit which is not very secure! Neither does my setup look like the one that Conrad is selling on EBay (that's for a RH door of course but looks like a one piece ). (b) how is the cog supposed to be secures on the spindle? There is a groove around the circumference of the spindle where a circlip might fit? Again, nothing in the W/S manual to suggest this. (c) Have I got a set-up from something else, TR5 or 250 perhaps? John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Geko Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) They are riveted. Drilled the rivet out, replaced with a half-threaded bolt; ground the head of the bolt and left few threads at the back to fit a nut which is kept loose but locked with thread locker. It can be soldered too. It's been there for a decade. Edited July 21, 2019 by Geko add Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neil J Posted July 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 Stef, Thanks. If I can source another cog I'll try that, Looking at your photo's and comparing them with my working lock, it would seem that a PO has done the same on the drivers door lock. I'll just need to find another cog, if not then try and find a complete second hand lock. Thanks for your response. John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted July 23, 2019 Report Share Posted July 23, 2019 Hi John Have you contacted any of these people - TRGB, TRtrader, TRBitz etc do plenty of second hand parts. https://www.trgb.co.uk/ http://www.trtrader.com/ https://www.trbitz.com/ Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neil J Posted July 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 Hi Roger, Yes thank you. I got through to TRBitz and they've managed to find a re-con LH door lock for me. Took a couple of days of rummaging but it's on it's way and I expect that it'll be here, in deepest darkest France, next week.. Thanks for your help, and thanks too to all the others that responded as well.. Best wishes, John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
qkingston Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 On 7/17/2019 at 1:19 PM, ianc said: You are not stupid Tony (anything but) - it's the use of antiquated terminology that is daft and misleading. Surely, Near Side (NS) in the UK must be Off Side (OS) in countries where vehicles drive on the right? The only logical and unambiguous system is to use the terms Left and Right, as viewed from the driver's seat facing forward (which is the way I prefer to drive). Ian Cornish I was double checking I had this right before final fit of door handles, and Rogers reminder that NS & OS are stamped on the castings; however having an ex USA car I wondered whether NS & OS would still be the same. My research would suggest the NS & OS remain the same either way, on a RHD car NS is the passenger side, on a LHD car NS is the drivers side (ie it doesn't change), anyone disagree? David Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 Hi David, I would challenge anybody trying to do different to your explanation. It would put the lever in the wrong orientation. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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