Paul Heritage2 Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere but a search didn’t yield anything that answered my query. I’ve recently acquired a 1954 TR2 which was first registered 30th July 1954 in the UK but at some point has left the country and been re-imported and a generic age related registration assigned. Is there any way to find the original registration number? A BMIHT certificate confirms matching vin (TS2320), body number and engine number but don’t have any other info. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hpremote Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 That is great news, Paul! What's the condition like? Pics, please! IlRC, the old Bill Piggott-type traces often gave detail of the Standard-Triumph dealer who first sold the car; from that you could ascertain the borough council which probably first registered the car, and then you'd try to find if their records are still extant. Might this work in your case, l wonder? See you soon at a Group meeting! Tim. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Heritage2 Posted October 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 Hi Tim, indeed! I know the original dealer it was sold through so could check the council records if I knew how (I’ll do some digging). Condition is generally great - it’s just passed an MOT and rot free. It will be getting a respray though as it’s been painted badly and I want a black TR2 LOL. It’ll be a black version of your car! Beamish reliability run 2019 is looking good... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John390 Posted October 2, 2018 Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) If you know where it was sold when new (area), check the County records department for that date. It will be recorded with the com. no. It might cost you but it might not. I should have read your last post. Cheers John Edited October 2, 2018 by John390 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roy53 Posted October 3, 2018 Report Share Posted October 3, 2018 slightly different twist. i have reg number but lost the commision number .I know careless but all put neatly in a folder but a couple of moves and vanished. Been to the records dept for the county and they were not kept from that far back so i am at a loss. DVLA accept that i have / own the car but thats as far as i could get. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted October 3, 2018 Report Share Posted October 3, 2018 41 minutes ago, roy53 said: slightly different twist. i have reg number but lost the commision number .I know careless but all put neatly in a folder but a couple of moves and vanished. Been to the records dept for the county and they were not kept from that far back so i am at a loss. DVLA accept that i have / own the car but thats as far as i could get. I dont know if they can still do it but Heritage used to be able to find the car from the engine number (If its still got its original that is) Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John390 Posted October 3, 2018 Report Share Posted October 3, 2018 They still can find the car from the engine number, if it was recorded! Cheers John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rodbr Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 If the commission number plates were there before you bought the car perhaps you have photos that can be enhanced. I took hundreds of pics during the disassembly so have a full photo record. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill.P. Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 Presumably Paul you have asked Mike Ellis and drawn a blank? And have you asked me Roy....I have a lot of my own records built up over nearly 50 years.....BP Quote Link to post Share on other sites
openroad Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 Have you chaps seen the Original Type body tags are now available from a Memeber, page 19 of Traction. In brass with the right Font. Conrad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Heritage2 Posted October 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 Hi guys, messaged Mike but no response as yet. Details are: VIN: TS2320 Body: 728300 Engine: TS692FR Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hpremote Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Ah, a factory reconditioned (FR) engine! An early one, as well! : ) Tim. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fireman049 Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) . Edited April 16, 2020 by Fireman049 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Thats a factory rebuilt unit Tom. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fireman049 Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) . Edited April 16, 2020 by Fireman049 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Heritage2 Posted October 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 hour ago, hpremote said: Ah, a factory reconditioned (FR) engine! An early one, as well! : ) Tim. Yes, presume the engine pre-dates the car by some months and was set aside for factory replacement later? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR 2100 Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Paul, Your reply implies you think the TS 692 is unique to your FR engine. I think not. I think there would have been a TS692E block and that your TS692FR will be a different block. I am not aware of any info that relates to the dates when TS xxx FR numbers were issued, although BillP and MikeE may have some info based on their experience. AlanR Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Heritage2 Posted October 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 On 10/8/2018 at 1:53 PM, TR 2100 said: Paul, Your reply implies you think the TS 692 is unique to your FR engine. I think not. I think there would have been a TS692E block and that your TS692FR will be a different block. I am not aware of any info that relates to the dates when TS xxx FR numbers were issued, although BillP and MikeE may have some info based on their experience. AlanR Hi Alan,, I presumed only 1 number would cover whole engine but new to the early sidescreens so don’t know much about them. I did think that the numbers would consequetive and 692 was a spare engine that they used when my original engine was replaced under warranty. Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR 2100 Posted October 14, 2018 Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) Hi Paul, I was guessing/speculating when I wrote my comment, hoping that maybe Stuart would offer the benefit of his experience - but no luck. My impression is that FR numbers were closer to being consecutive than they would have been had the original number been retained(so greater spread of numbers). I think a lot of the FR blocks would have been early TR2 blocks (no camshaft bearings) with camshaft bearings added. I think you live in Blyth? I am in Whitley Bay (and also had my TR4 retored at TR Enterprise. We should get together sometime. Regards AlanR Edited October 14, 2018 by TR 2100 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 I think the FR series of numbers operates independently of the original TS series as you often come across relatively low FR numbered engines in a lot later on in production cars. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roger murray-evans Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 AlanR I've got a early TR2 (non cam bearing block) with an FR plate on it, and it still has no cam bearings.Could be, of course, that they hadn't started fitting cam bearings at the stage where this one was overhauled or, they just overhauled what was in front of them if blocks were in short supply? Roger M-E Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR 2100 Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 hour ago, roger murray-evans said: AlanR I've got a early TR2 (non cam bearing block) with an FR plate on it, and it still has no cam bearings.Could be, of course, that they hadn't started fitting cam bearings at the stage where this one was overhauled or, they just overhauled what was in front of them if blocks were in short supply? Roger M-E That does surprise me. I hope it was fitted with a cross drilled crank?! AlanR Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ken foster Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/2/2018 at 7:07 PM, Paul Heritage2 said: Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere but a search didn’t yield anything that answered my query. I’ve recently acquired a 1954 TR2 which was first registered 30th July 1954 in the UK but at some point has left the country and been re-imported and a generic age related registration assigned. Is there any way to find the original registration number? A BMIHT certificate confirms matching vin (TS2320), body number and engine number but don’t have any other info. Thanks. Hi, It's not listed on the VTR (vintage triumph register USA) TS 2321 is there. Oh well it was worth a look. Regards ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Heritage2 Posted October 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 6 hours ago, ken foster said: Hi, It's not listed on the VTR (vintage triumph register USA) TS 2321 is there. Oh well it was worth a look. Regards ken Hi Ken, Very close! Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Heritage2 Posted October 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 23 hours ago, TR 2100 said: Hi Paul, I was guessing/speculating when I wrote my comment, hoping that maybe Stuart would offer the benefit of his experience - but no luck. My impression is that FR numbers were closer to being consecutive than they would have been had the original number been retained(so greater spread of numbers). I think a lot of the FR blocks would have been early TR2 blocks (no camshaft bearings) with camshaft bearings added. I think you live in Blyth? I am in Whitley Bay (and also had my TR4 retored at TR Enterprise. We should get together sometime. Regards AlanR Hi Alan, Yes, just a couple of miles away. We did chat at Raby a few years ago. TRE upgraded the engine on my TR4 and they’re currently sorting out the rear ride height and installing a bigger clutch (too much power and torque for the TR6 clutch!). They’ve also got the TR2 now and will be fixing the body bodges and repainting it. Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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