Washer Bottle

[Keith66]

Hi All

 

Was going to pop my refurbished washer bottle back on my resto project.

 

Looks nice and clean with repainted bracket and home made strap.

 

Cleaned all the motor up before giving it a test and err dead.

 

So should it work by just connecting to a 12v, i would assume it would, but no.

 

Completly disasambled it and it looks fine to me and the motor spins freely when the shaft is spun, but clearly i know nothing.

 

So any tricks to get and old electric motor such as this kicked into life?

 

I've had a look at the usual retail suspencts and this type of motor (see pic) seems unavailable only a Lucas GWW125, which although cheap as chips is the wrong shape and i'd prefer to get this one working.

 

Cheers

 

Keith

 

[Sapphire72]

One of the commonest causes of electric motor malfunction is that the two brushes, on the opposing sides of the commutator, either break apart or get stuck.

Check that brushes are in place and rubbing against the copper plates (commutator).

 

An electric motor rebuilding shop could help with replacement brushes, if needed..

Edited August 6, 2018 by Sapphire72

[elclem1]

Are you putting the + to + and - to neg on the motor?

[Waldi]

I have the same motor/pump and tested it on the bench with a 12V battery. It is noisy, but works.

Waldi

[fisicx]

I just brought a new motor off eBay. They are cheap as chips and a lot more poweful than the original.

[Keith66]

Hi All

 

Thanks for the replies.

 

I'll have a good look at the brushes, seemed ok and in contact but anythings worth a go.

 

Pretty sure i've got eh + and - right as fortunatly the motor contacts are labled.

 

I'd assumed the same as Waldi, i should get something.

 

Yep saw the replacements on E-bay and the like but they all apear to be GWW125's and whilst cheap as chips and probably more poerful don't fit in my lid/houseing combo, unless i've missed them.

 

Cheers

 

Keith

[fisicx]

It came with the lid

[Keith66]

Hi Fisicx

 

These are the ones i found.

 

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CLASSIC-Lucas-12v-Windscreen-Washer-Pump-WSB100-same-as-GWW125/172797681656?epid=1623212515&hash=item283b8b5ff8:g:TlcAAOSwj0NUgXqj

 

Same as at the big TR suppliers, both with and without a lid and as i said cheap as chips, which is not the issue.

Ideally i'd like to get the original working but if i can't a new GWW125 is the way i'll go but as the old one doesn't look shot i'll try to resurrect it if i can.

Cheers

Keith

 

[fisicx]

That's the one I got. It now means I can wash the windscreen instead of just making it a bit damp.

 

I also got the smart screen wiper delay thingy: https://www.moss-europe.co.uk/smartscreen-wiper-systems.html

 

Clever bit of kit that gives you programmable intermittent wipers.

[Keith66]

Hi Fisicx

 

Well i've got it working but kinda noisy and sounds a little weak.

 

If i can't improve it i'll be looking at one of the new pump lid combo's.

 

Cheers

 

Keith

[Sapphire72]

Spray some WD-40 on it. What have you got to lose?

[Chris Bottomley]

When I bought my TR6 two and a half years ago it had a new looking "Lucas" GWW125 pump installed on top of the washer bottle, i.e in a position that needs a self priming pump. This failed before the next MOT. A replacement then failed after a couple of uses as did a further pump. None of the replacements came with any installation instructions. All failures were due to the rubber impellor seizing and the drive spindle wearing away the slot it engages in on the impellor.

 

For this years MOT I decided to splash out and buy one of the uprated Revington pumps, these are visually similar to the generic Lucas ones but are sold as having a metal impellor. This came with installation notes that stated the pump should be mounted below the water level, presumably it is not self priming. I have now mounted the pump below the washer bottle, and once it was primed, it has so far worked more times than all the all the previous ones put together.

 

Does anyone know whether the generic GWW125 pumps need to be mounted below the water level? If so this may account for the early failures mentioned in some of the product reviews if they are replacing a pump mounted on top of the washer bottle.

 

Chris

[Waldi]

Well, in 2018 my original washer pump was ok as stated above although a bit noisy, Today as I was doing final checks before my MoT (APK in Holland) next week, it made more noise and just a weak p.ss of water came out of the jets. I disassembled the pump (the original item in the black rectangular bakelite box, and cleaned and assembled it. It still did not work.... so I opened it again, and saw the brushes were too far (?) apart (with rotor removed), so I carefully bent them a bit closer to the center, both the same distance from the center. Cleaned the collector with fine sandpaper followed by “wool brush”. Then assembled and hey presto, it was able to jet to the top of the windscreen, while running at a much higher speed and less noisy.

Current-draw at 13 V: 1.8 A. Seems a bit high to me considering the very thin winding wire. It does not smoke.

All not very scientific, but it works. Can’t wait to go the MoT!

Cheers,
Waldi