Red Truimph Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 I am writing to you for help and advice to the following problem. I purchased my TR3A (DSJ 689) from Sherwood Restorations in 2000. They converted to RHD and fitted Rack and Pinion steering. I have only use the car high days and holidays, averaging about 400 miles per year. I decoded this yea to get a though service and many original faults from the restoration have been found and rectified. However one final problem that exists is the wiring loom for the Indicators and horn which travels from the steering wheel down the centre of the column and then is connected by “tie wraps” to the steering dive shaft. Whenever the wheel is turned the loom twists around the column casing fraying to the outside sheath and is starting to damage the wires. Please see photos attached. I am absolutely stumped as to how I can get over this . You assistance and advice would be much appreciated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lebro Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 (edited) Best solution is to use the Bastuck slip rings - these allow the use of horn & indicator functions from the steering wheel centre without the cable twisting around the column. Available from the TR Shop, look at this flyer under Steering & suspension Steering rack conversion contact ring http://www.trshop.co.uk/special.html Bob. Edited April 12, 2018 by Lebro Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 The Bastuck kit is expensive but is the only solution if you want to keep the original horn push/Indicator set-up. What you have currently is quite frankly a lashup! Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fireman049 Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 Hi Red Triumph ~ I take it that with the R & P conversion your control head rotates with the steering. Tom. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ian Vincent Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 I have the Bastuck slip ring set up - bought direct from Germany when it was a good bit cheaper than it is now - and it works extremely well. Unfortunately there is no way of holding the control head from turning with the steering wheel without the stator tube though. Rgds Ian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fireman049 Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 The control head is reliant on the olive and brass nut at the base of the stator tube to hold it steady. Tom. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BrianC Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 Inform Sherwood Restorations that what they have created is a disgrace and dangerous, both to you and to their reputation, especially as it is now public knowledge. It's not too late for them to save face if they apply a proper fix and you let everyone know that they have dealt with a fault fairly and promptly. That's the second high profile classic car company failing its customers that I have heard about in the last few weeks (both TRs). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iain Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 Inform Sherwood Restorations that what they have created is a disgrace and dangerous, both to you and to their reputation, especially as it is now public knowledge. It's not too late for them to save face if they apply a proper fix and you let everyone know that they have dealt with a fault fairly and promptly. That's the second high profile classic car company failing its customers that I have heard about in the last few weeks (both TRs). I agree with the sentiment but its reads like its 18 years since the car was bought from Sherwood.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Charlie D Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 I wonder if the Bastuck slip rings were available 18 years ago? If not then they should have fitted a separate indicator switch and horn switch somewhere on the dash. Has it passed 18 MOTs like that? The blurb on the company’s website says: “…We have a team of highly skilled and experienced professionals … “ Hmmmm….. OK….. Charlie. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 The slip rings have only been available AFIK for about 10yrs and back then only in Germany. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fireman049 Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 (edited) When I converted my 3A to R & P steering I removed the indicator switch from the control head as the head rotated with the steering. I retained the horn control. I then fitted a Mini Cooper Mk.2 four way switch which controlled the horns/indicators/headlights. I made it self cancelling by fitting a small round headed rivet to the steering wheel boss. The plastic shroud is from an MGB. (Cowl part No. 18G8713) Tom. Edited April 13, 2018 by Fireman049 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Red Truimph Posted April 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 Thank you to all who have responded. I have found the steering Rack Conversion Contact Ring and although at £174.00 it seem expensive. But If that's the best option whilst retaining the original features, then that will have to do. Is it a big job? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Charlie D Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 I’m afraid I can’t say how easy it is to fit the slip ring kit, but I found this thread that may be of help to someone who has the skills to make their own. I would guess the materials would be less than £20 and time would be less than half a day. Maybe a nice little sideline for someone here who has the skills. https://www.triumphexp.com/phorum/read.php?6,1483912 At £174.00 I’d expect the whole thing to be gold plated. (But I guess it would not work if that were the case.) Charlie. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 At £174.00 I’d expect the whole thing to be gold plated. (But I guess it would not work if that were the case.) Charlie. Actually gold is a very good conductor and is often used for military grade electrical connectors. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BrianC Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 I agree with the sentiment but its reads like its 18 years since the car was bought from Sherwood.... Sorry, I missed the date so perhaps that was the best solution available at the time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don H. Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 Actually gold is a very good conductor and is often used for military grade electrical connectors. Stuart. Exactly. Good conductivity and non-corroding. In fact, if the Bastuck slip rings ARE gold plated it wouldn't be a surprise at all! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Red Truimph Posted May 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2018 Many thanks to you all I cant thank the manufacturers enough for their help and advice , I have attached their instructions for anyone else who may be interested. To those that have already fitted the device Can you explain to me what is meant by the following Picture 22: Now the rotating mounting rings on the original indicator switch (seen from behind) have to be blocked. Then slide the wiring harness onto the steering column. The following Link will show the photos for each stage. http:/ /www.bastuck.de/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/7_einbauanleitung-fr-blinker_hupenschleifkontakt.pdf Any help would be greatly appreciated. If you could also provide me with your phone number we can talk it through. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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