GT6M Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 (edited) Meb,e no so much yer engine, but this is deffo a culprit of pinkin If yer engines partial to a wee tipple of oil, then it,ll pink the older the oil, and the hotter the oil is, { esp whenst olde } will cause pink,n even moer an olde engine I had, pinked bad after aboot 1,000 miles on new oil and oil was black, indicating alott of blow by so much so, that at certain rev sites, timing could be retarded 7-9 degs the older oil got, the wuss it got So, is yer engine partial to a wee tipple of oil!! Ohh, ferrocine is banned in quite a few countries, has been for a while noo and as Peter says, it also is a cause of engine wear ye will fin that most additives will mek yer plugs show a different colour, mostly a reddish shade esp moer so, if the stuff is that shade t,start off wid M Edited July 22, 2017 by GT6M Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR5tar Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 (edited) Peter, Unfortunately no. I bought Millers VSP thinking that, then spotted deposits on my plugs and saw that Ferrocene was listed on the label! Darren Hi Darren, I'm just looking at the bottle of Millers VSPE Power Plus I just bought and I cannot see any mention on it that it contains Ferrocene. Is it the "VSPE" that you have? Cheers, Darren Edited July 27, 2017 by TR5tar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DRD Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 Hi Darren they must have sneaked it in at some point???? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DRD Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 Hi Darren they must have sneaked it in at some point Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR5tar Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 (edited) Thanks Darren. Isn't that odd. I've got a multi-shot bottle, that's actually about 2-3 years old and that doesn't state any contents. I also have a Single Shot bottle that I purchased a couple of weeks back, and that does list contents, but no Ferrocene ... Did you buy yours from one of the usual suppliers? Edited July 23, 2017 by TR5tar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DRD Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 Thanks Darren. Isn't that odd. I've got a multi-shot bottle, that's actually about 2-3 years old and that doesn't state any contents. I also have a Single Shot bottle that I purchased a couple of weeks back, and that does list contents, but no Ferrocene ... MS.JPG SS.JPG Did you buy yours from one of the usual suppliers? Yes I got it from Opie Oils and bought it because I thought it didn't contain Ferrocene - obviously wasted my money! I'm about to fit an unleaded head anyway so its somewhat academic now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 Not used anything for 10 years + and no problems at all,the MU does not like it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR5tar Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 (edited) OK, thanks Darren. I've written to Millers to ask what is going on. Edited July 23, 2017 by TR5tar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peter Cobbold Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 (edited) This is the manganese compound that used to be in VSP Plus as an octane booster: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylcyclopentadienyl_manganese_tricarbonyl (apparentyl still used in Canadian pump fuel) Safety wise it doesn't look especially nasty, except when neat. The potassium listed on the label is used to protect valve seats. Peter Edited July 23, 2017 by Peter Cobbold Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peter Cobbold Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 (edited) Quite art form bore wear ferrocene as iron particles in the exhaust may not be benign. Iron particles derived form normal ring/bore wear and a from disc brakes are being discovered in our brains, and are suggested as a trigger for Alzheimer's disease: https://theconversation.com/how-we-discovered-a-possible-link-between-car-exhausts-and-alzheimers-64779 https://medicalxpress.com/news/2017-06-culprit-hidden-plain-sight-alzheimer.html -around 100,000 nanoparticles in 1 cc of brain. Adding ferrocene-derived iron particles to the exhaust may not be ideal. Peter Edited July 23, 2017 by Peter Cobbold Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DRD Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 OK, thanks Darren. I've written to Millers to ask what is going on. Did you get a reply? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iain Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 I have yet to hear of one case of valve seat recession in TR6 despite asking on here several times. The FBHVC VSR tests used IIRC a 1000cc engine run at 4000rpm full throttle for many hours. Anyone who drives a 6 on the road like that will have more to worry about than VSR ! Peter Hi Peter quite right they used the "A" series which was notorious for VSR. Iain Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ian Vincent Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 whilst I accept that valve seat recession isn't an issue with the sort of mileage that we subject our cars to, I do get p****d off with the fuel deteriorating. Is Tetraboost as good as the say it is at preventing this happening and is there any way of buying it to try without having to commit to buying a case of it? Rgds Ian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 Hi Ian, just spotted a can of the stuff on ebay - £139. Just under half the cost of getting the head re-seated. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ian Vincent Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 Roger, You can buy a case of the stuff for £120 (+ £20 postage) direct from the manufacturer Rgds Ian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iain Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) Fuel deterioration is interesting, a friend of mine runs a very busy petrol forecourt, on a 5000 gallon order they loose 50 gallons.......1%. This is due to evaporation of the volatile components, which they have to try to account for........ Apparently Super Unleaded is sent out as 105RON to allow for this loss in transport.... what a pity it is rubbish after a matter of weeks. Iain Edited July 26, 2017 by iain Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peter Cobbold Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) Its amost certianly iso-butane bubbling off in the tank. Iso-butane is a gas at room temerature and has 110RON so the octane will drop, as will the volume. Yes rubbish. But modern engines simply retard the spark to kill knock so we dont see pistons getting destroyed through lack of RON. Myself I'm going for water injection and 95RON, about 105RON combined. BMW has developed a wi system recently. http://www.bmwblog.com/2015/07/02/bmw-1-series-with-direct-water-injection-first-drive/ If that catches on the days of 'high octane' pump fuels wil be numbered. Peter Edited July 26, 2017 by Peter Cobbold Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MostEasterlySteve Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 whilst I accept that valve seat recession isn't an issue with the sort of mileage that we subject our cars to, I do get p****d off with the fuel deteriorating. Is Tetraboost as good as the say it is at preventing this happening and is there any way of buying it to try without having to commit to buying a case of it? Rgds Ian Classic Oils will sell you one can for £23.95 incl VAT Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR5tar Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 Did you get a reply? They were very quick to reply. My contact in the technical department stated that VSPe Power Plus does contain Ferrocene for its octane boosting properties. In reply, I said that it was not stated as part of the contents on the bottles I had and asked why and if it was a recent addition. Contact came back to say that it has been used in the product for at least 10 years. I then pressed him again about why it was not listed on earlier bottles and he said that that was down to the marketing department. I can only think that some law must have changed recently to compel them to list it! I'm going to see how mine runs without it and look at some of the other options. Cheers, Darren Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DRD Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 They were very quick to reply. My contact in the technical department stated that VSPe Power Plus does contain Ferrocene for its octane boosting properties. In reply, I said that it was not stated as part of the contents on the bottles I had and asked why and if it was a recent addition. Contact came back to say that it has been used in the product for at least 10 years. I then pressed him again about why it was not listed on earlier bottles and he said that that was down to the marketing department. I can only think that some law must have changed recently to compel them to list it! I'm going to see how mine runs without it and look at some of the other options. Cheers, Darren Thanks for the update. I wonder what non Ferrocene alternatives there are now? Just as well I'm changing my head then! Cheers Darren Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JeffR Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 Hi Guys, Not sure if the following anecdote is relevant to the current discussion but a couple of weeks ago I attended an after hours behind the scenes visit to Beaulieu Motor Museum - very interesting if you've never been before. While talking to one of the mechanics in their restortation workshop he pulled out a bottle of Lucas Fuel Stabiliser and Conditioner, otherwise referred to by him as an Ethanol Buster. Apparently they use it in all their petrol driven vehicles as a fuel additive. He advised that it should be used in all classic vehicles that use traditional carburretors as it apparently protects their metal parts and stabilises the ethanol fuel. He also said they only ever use super grade fuel for the same reasons. I'd never heard of this product before - but searching ebay it sells for around £9 -310 a 500ml bottle. Has anyone heard of this stuff and is it any use for protecting our TRs? Cheers, JeffR Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JeffR Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 Meant tio say £9 - £10 per bottle, before anyone comments! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DRD Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 Hi Guys, Not sure if the following anecdote is relevant to the current discussion but a couple of weeks ago I attended an after hours behind the scenes visit to Beaulieu Motor Museum - very interesting if you've never been before. While talking to one of the mechanics in their restortation workshop he pulled out a bottle of Lucas Fuel Stabiliser and Conditioner, otherwise referred to by him as an Ethanol Buster. Apparently they use it in all their petrol driven vehicles as a fuel additive. He advised that it should be used in all classic vehicles that use traditional carburretors as it apparently protects their metal parts and stabilises the ethanol fuel. He also said they only ever use super grade fuel for the same reasons. I'd never heard of this product before - but searching ebay it sells for around £9 -310 a 500ml bottle. Has anyone heard of this stuff and is it any use for protecting our TRs? Cheers, JeffR Thanks Jeff, i think Millers do something similar called EPS, but I'm a bit wary now. We need to check exactly whats in these things first. I guess the Museum must be a pretty good endorsement though. Darren Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peter Cobbold Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 I think FBHVC tried to run tests on fuel stabilisers but chickened out. Peter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DRD Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 Thanks Jeff, i think Millers do something similar called EPS, but I'm a bit wary now. We need to check exactly whats in these things first. I guess the Museum must be a pretty good endorsement though. Darren Found it on ebay: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lucas-Ethanol-Safeguard-Fuel-Conditioner-Treatment-473ml-/282086315068?epid=2085815206&hash=item41ada7943c:g:W80AAOSwGvhT27bR One bottle treats 80 gallons which seems pretty good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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