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The workshop manual says that the clutch master cylinder cannot be removed without taking out the complete base bracket complete with both brake & clutch master cylinders!

Anybody found or know of a way just the clutch cylinder can be removed without disturbing the brake master?

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I changed mine on the 4A without disturbing the brakes, it is awkward to get the two securing bolts out, but is doable.

 

Cheers

 

Graeme

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+2 Monty, perfectly doable and the brake m/c can also be removed in isolation if required. Just goes to show that the WM is not infallible and you should not believe all you read there.

 

Tim

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Thanks guys. Any special scanners needed?

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Hi Monty,

 

I did this job myself over the weekend and it can definitely be done without removing the brake master cylinder or the mounting bracket.

 

However, as you've already realised, it's tricky finding the right socket combination to access the lower mounting bolt as it needs to clear the fluid reservoir but not clash with the bulkhead. In the end, I found that a 1/4" rachet drive with a 2" wobble bar, a 1/4" to 3/8" adapter, and a 3/8" drive 1/2" AF socket did the trick. The other thing I did, which might not be absolutely necessary, was to remove the pushrod first - there's a retaining clip under the rubber boot & this can be removed with fine-nose pliers.

 

Hope this helps

 

Regards

Mike

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Now you mention it Mike that's exactly the same combination of ratchet, bar, socket and adaptor I now recall using for this job!

 

Tim

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Hi Monty,

 

I did this job myself over the weekend and it can definitely be done without removing the brake master cylinder or the mounting bracket.

 

However, as you've already realised, it's tricky finding the right socket combination to access the lower mounting bolt as it needs to clear the fluid reservoir but not clash with the bulkhead. In the end, I found that a 1/4" rachet drive with a 2" wobble bar, a 1/4" to 3/8" adapter, and a 3/8" drive 1/2" AF socket did the trick. The other thing I did, which might not be absolutely necessary, was to remove the pushrod first - there's a retaining clip under the rubber boot & this can be removed with fine-nose pliers.

 

Hope this helps

 

Regards

 

Many thanks Mike. We are now hoping it is just the slave cylinder. Waiting for parts to arrive & will replace next week. Fingers crossed we can leave the master alone.

Cheers.

Mike

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It wont be the slave, that would just leak as there is only one way for the fluid to go and that is out. Master cylinder is the culprit.

Stuart.

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It wont be the slave, that would just leak as there is only one way for the fluid to go and that is out. Master cylinder is the culprit.

Stuart.

 

^^^ Wot he said. ;)

 

Graeme

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It wont be the slave, that would just leak as there is only one way for the fluid to go and that is out. Master cylinder is the culprit.

Stuart.

It is rather odd as there is no leakage from the master when clutch pedal is depressed & held down but when the same thing is done the slave gradually loses 'pressure' & creeps back despite keeping the pedal down. We are starting the easiest thing first by replacing the slave next week & then the master? Thanks for your hint though Stuart.

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It is rather odd as there is no leakage from the master when clutch pedal is depressed & held down but when the same thing is done the slave gradually loses 'pressure' & creeps back despite keeping the pedal down. We are starting the easiest thing first by replacing the slave next week & then the master? Thanks for your hint though Stuart.

What you have described is exactly what points to master cylinder, no leak because the fluid is just circulating behind the seal on the right at the bottom of the picture but not leaking as its not passing the left hand one next to it http://www.moss-europe.co.uk/repair-kit-brake-master-cylinder-grk1027.html?assoc=114465

Stuart.

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What you have described is exactly what points to master cylinder, no leak because the fluid is just circulating behind the seal on the right at the bottom of the picture but not leaking as its not passing the left hand one next to it http://www.moss-europe.co.uk/repair-kit-brake-master-cylinder-grk1027.html?assoc=114465

Stuart.

Understood Stuart, buy complete new M C or just the repair kit? Myself & the workshop favour a new cylinder.

Cheers.

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Understood Stuart, buy complete new M C or just the repair kit? Myself & the workshop favour a new cylinder.

Cheers.

P.S. Any advantage or need in buying the Revington M.C. adjustable push rod?

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Apologies for the late response. The clutch and brake master cylinders are easy to remove and replace. The awkward lower bolts can be accessed using a 1/2'' drive 1/2'' AF socket, a 3'' length of 1/2'' x 1/2'' steel bar, and an open ended 1/2'' AF spanner. Beg the piece of steel bar from your local friendly ironworker and keep it in your 'come in handy one day toolkit'.

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Understood Stuart, buy complete new M C or just the repair kit? Myself & the workshop favour a new cylinder.

Cheers.

Go for a new one as fitting a kit often doesnt last long, but change the push rod from the old master cylinder to the new one as the repros are often a different length.Dont bother with adjustable pushrod on the master but I always run an adjustable pushrod and spring on the slave but you do need to know how to adjust them properly

Stuart.

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Go for a new one as fitting a kit often doesnt last long, but change the push rod from the old master cylinder to the new one as the repros are often a different length.Dont bother with adjustable pushrod on the master but I always run an adjustable pushrod and spring on the slave but you do need to know how to adjust them properly

Stuart.

Hi again Stuart. I thought a TR4 has an adjustable rod & Spring on the slave & it was the 4A that went to a non adjustable, hence the Revington kit?

Cheers.

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Hi again Stuart. I thought a TR4 has an adjustable rod & Spring on the slave & it was the 4A that went to a non adjustable, hence the Revington kit?

Cheers.

Correct it was deleted on a 4a, my comment was because I thought you were referring to an adjustable pushrod for the master cylinder.

Stuart.

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Hi Monty,

 

I did this job myself over the weekend and it can definitely be done without removing the brake master cylinder or the mounting bracket.

 

However, as you've already realised, it's tricky finding the right socket combination to access the lower mounting bolt as it needs to clear the fluid reservoir but not clash with the bulkhead. In the end, I found that a 1/4" rachet drive with a 2" wobble bar, a 1/4" to 3/8" adapter, and a 3/8" drive 1/2" AF socket did the trick. The other thing I did, which might not be absolutely necessary, was to remove the pushrod first - there's a retaining clip under the rubber boot & this can be removed with fine-nose pliers.

 

Hope this helps

 

Regards

Mike

Mike, did you replace the M/C with a new Moss/Rimmers/Revington M/C or did you manage to find any upgraded or better quality items? I have searched in vain to find stuff not made in Taiwan!

Cheers.

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Monty,

Based on experiences shared on this forum I had mine resleeved and refurbished by Past Parts.

Cannot share experience good or bad yet because I have just installed them. The turnaround time was a couple of weeks (I am based in The Netherlands),

But what I understand from others is the resleeved originals last longer than the cheaper repro's.

Waldi

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Hi Monty,

 

To answer your question, after discussions with a couple of TR specialists, I purchased a new replacement from one of the usual suspects. I did look at getting the old unit resleeved (it wasn't a Girling original) but, interestingly, while Past Parts quoted me for the work, they themselves suggested using a new pattern part instead. In addition, given that the clutch hydraulics were last touched 20+ years ago, for good measure I replaced the slave cylinder and flexible hose at the same time.

 

Regards

Mike

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Just replaced mine with a new TR Shop one. Old one was fine but starting to go porous in the body. New one is fine.

Stuart.

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Just replaced mine with a new TR Shop one. Old one was fine but starting to go porous in the body. New one is fine.

Stuart.

Still a reproduction item presumably Stuart?

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