qim Posted November 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) Although not essential, the research I have done leads me to believe that these lamps are the best available (although, ideally I'd find some without the sidelight hole). https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-Car-H4-Conversion-7-Cibie-Headlight-60-55w-Main-Dip-Sidelight/261982034210?hash=item3cff589922:g:cvAAAOSwls5Y8dmA What do you mean by the sidelight hole? Edited November 28, 2017 by qim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Hamish Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) Hi Just search P700 on eBay and inexpensive (£45 ish a pair) reproductions come up. Some with suitable bulbs. I think most of this type have a hole at the bottom mid point of the reflector to put a small side light bulb in from the back. See pic. Our tr3s the side light is a desperate unit. Edited November 28, 2017 by Hamish Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TorontoTim Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 What do you mean by the sidelight hole? The one(s) in the link have a small hole in the reflector through which a small sidelight bulb can be pushed - it's held in by a rubber grommet, I think. My lamps don't have sidelight hole, so they are (were?) definitely available without. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don H. Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 Although not essential, the research I have done leads me to believe that these lamps are the best available (although, ideally I'd find some without the sidelight hole). https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-Car-H4-Conversion-7-Cibie-Headlight-60-55w-Main-Dip-Sidelight/261982034210?hash=item3cff589922:g:cvAAAOSwls5Y8dmA Cibié are some of my favorites. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hamish Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 Cibié are some of my favorites. I had 4 Bosch 180 rallye concave lights on the front of my mk1 escort in the 80s with some 100w bulbs. Turned night into day. I bet they are collectibles now ???? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don H. Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 I have some 7" Cibié selective yellow lamps for P45T bases. Those are definitely collectible. I'm sure your concave Bosch lamps are too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hamish Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 I have some 7" Cibié selective yellow lamps for P45T bases. Those are definitely collectible. I'm sure your concave Bosch lamps are too. Don Sold many years ago Im afraid when the car went for scrap. ???? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lebro Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 I had some P700 repro tripod lamps for a while - Dipped beam was OK, but on main beam a lot of the light went upwards to light up the tops of the trees ! Now using Valeo units with Nightbreakers - much better. Bob. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TorontoTim Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 FYI, in case anyone isn't aware, Valeo and Cibie are the same company (Cibie is Valeo's sports brand). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
qim Posted November 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 Hi I've been searching for Cibie headlights and found one, but I am confused as to whether they are selling one single item or the pair. I assume that the pair of headlamps have two different items: one for dipping towards the side of the road and another that dips straight ahead. No? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iain Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 From the Link in post 17, here are the Cibie (Valeo) lamps. https://www.eurocarparts.com/search/471930011 Coupled with Osram NIghtbreakers they are very effective.......as demonstrated in the linked thread by Deggers. For what its worth my car never had tripods from new and these are a pretty good match for the appearance of European Lucas 700's that were fitted. ( I still have them but wont rush to refit!) Iain Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR 2100 Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) From the Link in post 17, here are the Cibie (Valeo) lamps. https://www.eurocarparts.com/search/471930011 Coupled with Osram NIghtbreakers they are very effective.......as demonstrated in the linked thread by Deggers. For what its worth my car never had tripods from new and these are a pretty good match for the appearance of European Lucas 700's that were fitted. ( I still have them but wont rush to refit!) Iain Iain, That link seems to be relevant for TR7s (and motorbikes) only ? AlanR Edited November 29, 2017 by TR 2100 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
qim Posted November 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) Hi What I am trying to work out now is whether the haedlamp for one side of the car is identical to the headlamp on the other side. I assume that it is not. Edited November 29, 2017 by qim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EdwinTiben Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 No difference. Left and right are Exchangable. Ledt hand drive or right hand drive do differ, But as a set. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
qim Posted November 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 Thank you Edwin, but... how come that on a LHD car the outside lamp dips to the right, and as far as I know, the inside lamp stays pointing forward? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobH Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 Its possible that might happen on a modern car where the headight design differs between the passenger and drivers sides Camillo, but on round headlights with a common glass pattern both sides do the same thing on dip - down and in towards the kerb. You might see some small difference due the lamp alignment but thats all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
qim Posted November 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 Thank you, Rob So, the only diff for a TR3A is whether the lamps are designed for RH driving or LH driving, and I simply have to order TWO. I learned something new: a profitable day! Regards Camilo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) This thread is going into deep water. There are RH dipping and LH dipping lamp units (achieved by the glass pattern) There are also RH and LH and vertical dipping bulbs - To work with LH & RH dipping lens & symetrical or non patterned lamp glass. Achieved by offsetting the dip filament to L or R as required. There are transverse filament bulbs and axial filament bulbs designed to work with different lamps and the 'depth' the bulb fits into the lamp reflector and whether the filament has a shield over it or if the lamp has a shield built inside it. My understanding is that some of the original Lucas tripod units may have been designed to use a bulb with a transverse filament, type Lucas 404/405 but could be adapted to accept the more readily available transverse BPF type. lucas 414/415/350/370 Enjoy Peter W PS I fitted Cibie Z pattern type halogen and donated my NOS Lucas tripods to a worthy concourse car. Edited November 29, 2017 by BlueTR3A-5EKT Quote Link to post Share on other sites
greasemonkey Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) BEWARE - Osram Nightbreaker bulbs are being counterfeited according to BBC Fake Britain last week. Even the OSRAM man couldn't tell the difference...... Until they went up in Smoke! Edited December 4, 2017 by greasemonkey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nigel C Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 be aware that there was (not sure if there still is) a lot of repro tripod lamps called P700 out there. they are dreadful. I think they were a copy of the original glass but fitted to a different reflector and the focal length was (as foghorn leghorn used to say "waay off boy, I mean waaay off!" If I went anywhere near an airport the incoming flights used to follow me home, which wasn't good as I couldn't see where I was going...... After much searching I found a pair of Marshall lamps and had them re-silvered, they are excellent on both beam and dip.....with the added bonus that they dip straight (not left or right) and so are very usefull when traveling abroad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 be aware that there was (not sure if there still is) a lot of repro tripod lamps called P700 out there. they are dreadful. I think they were a copy of the original glass but fitted to a different reflector and the focal length was (as foghorn leghorn used to say "waay off boy, I mean waaay off!" If I went anywhere near an airport the incoming flights used to follow me home, which wasn't good as I couldn't see where I was going...... After much searching I found a pair of Marshall lamps and had them re-silvered, they are excellent on both beam and dip.....with the added bonus that they dip straight (not left or right) and so are very usefull when traveling abroad. We have one Marchal headlamp like that (with a cracked lens). Ours has the ability to 'rotate' the bulb in its location to change the dip direction. I think it uses a p45T type European style bulb. Cheers Peter W Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lebro Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 be aware that there was (not sure if there still is) a lot of repro tripod lamps called P700 out there. they are dreadful. I think they were a copy of the original glass but fitted to a different reflector and the focal length was (as foghorn leghorn used to say "waay off boy, I mean waaay off!" If I went anywhere near an airport the incoming flights used to follow me home, which wasn't good as I couldn't see where I was going...... After much searching I found a pair of Marshall lamps and had them re-silvered, they are excellent on both beam and dip.....with the added bonus that they dip straight (not left or right) and so are very usefull when traveling abroad. Yep, see post #34 Bob. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
qim Posted December 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 I cannot see any headlamps for TR3s in the valeo page https://www.valeoservice.co.uk/en/ResultByPdt?lob_name=lighting-systems&id_fam=9&id_fam_pdt%5B832%5D=832&vehicle=pc&op=SEARCH&form_build_id=form-PmgwmnGfKvY45tOrPEkP0IQDkqOj6b7jbW2H0QDjCVE&form_id=webcatalog_search_ByProduct_form Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lebro Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 (edited) These fit, & many of us on here have them. Look out for discount codes to apply when ordering, there are usualy some going - search for them on the web. https://www.eurocarparts.com/search/471930011 Note this particular one is for Right hand drive (UK) you may need Left ? These take H4 Halogen bulbs, Osram nightbreakers are the best. Bob. P.S. cheaper on Ebay, but still RHDrive https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2060353.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.X471930011.TRS0&_nkw=471930011&_sacat=0 Edited December 5, 2017 by Lebro Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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