JohnG Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Allthere have been a couple of threads regarding engine oil filters recently and some cross references have been supplied. Where cross referenced filters have been used and shown to work, then there is no issue, however; I was in the process of putting together a usable cross reference, based on filters that can be relied on. I have added the recently supplied information and took about 15 minutes on the web to extend the spreadsheet based on information supplied by just filter suppliers. My message is; Please do not take any information regarding compatibility at face value In addition, do not take information on manufacturers web sites at face value either, for example; I am using a K&N HP2009, am happy with it and will continue to use them, unless something provably better comes along These statements are from the K&N web site; Our oil filters also use a resin impregnated cellulose filter media. This allows for higher flow rates while providing outstanding filtration They are able to handle heavy duty applications and block 99% of foreign material. for "resin impregnated cellulose" read Paper. This does not offer outstanding filtration, it is mediocre at best, but it is all that is currently offered by the industry Note the use of the word 'block' in place of 'remove' To remove 99% of the particulates generated, paper media pack would need to be extremely thick, which would create unacceptable differential pressure. Using 'block' tells us nothing If K&N are not offering good info, you can be sure that the cheaper boys are even less forthcoming. Note If someone can tell me how to upload an xlsx spreadsheet, I will add the cross reference to show the variation in dimensions between 'compatible' products Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steves_TR6 Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 I'd be interested to see your comparison. As for uploading xls files i just tried and could attach an xls using the 'choose file' button. Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Hi John, you should be able to upload the spreadsheet using the normal method as for a picture - 'more reply options' bottom right corner. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Hi John, just had a look on the web and it is very unhelpful. http://mycarneedsthis.com/the-best-oil-filters-and-reviews-guide/ Firstly I looked for the best 5 filters and there is a list of 7. The glorious details tell you how well the canister is made and the filter is glued into position - wow. How big is the hole in the middle - is it metric or UNF - no chance. Utter rubbish. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poolboy Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Here's an old list of filters that cross reference with the FRAM 3600 series...It's just a list of those filters that fit, not necessarily identical features: http://www.oilfilter-crossreference.com/convert/Fram/PH3600 And here is a list from the same period of filters of the same size as the FRAM 3614 which is shorter than the 3600: http://www.oilfilter-crossreference.com/convert/Fram/PH3614 If you see a brand and filter that you like, you can go to the manufacturer's online site and read up on whatever features they choose to reveal such as: http://www.fram.com/support/tech-specs.aspx Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) Ivor on here did a very good list,try a search.88v8 Edited December 13, 2016 by ntc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mike C Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 I for one would appreciate a list of currently available filters known to be satisfactory by TR6 owners. Some old lists found on the web concentrate on the thread diameter and physical dimensions-ignoring everything else. Sorry I can't help with advice on uploading a spreadsheet- took me a while to work out how to resize a photo to meet the site requirements and then attach it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poolboy Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 I don't know what is available down under, Mike, but this guy seems to have found these to be satisfactory. http://vintagetriumphregister.org/tr6-spin-on/ I have been using a FRAM TG3600. http://www.oilfiltersonline.com/TG3600-Fram-Tough-Guard-Oil-Filter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mike C Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Thanks Poolboy, I'm happy to use the Ryco Z 37 as recommended by Australian members Andrew and Andy. The FRAM was highly recommended by TR6 and Jag owners but the only way I could get one was to import it from the UK or US. And thanks for your advice on the threaded nipple in the adapter - I am now repairing the old one. One of the changes that's occurred with the Triumph parts suppliers here over the last 10-15 years is that they have drastically reduced their floor stock holdings- there was no new adapter available in Melbourne that I could inspect before purchase. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnG Posted December 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Gents I'll have another go tomorrow AM Originally tried twice, but, no go, said couldn't upload files 'of this type' ??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) Hi John I sold you a pup. I aslo can't upload an xls file Roger Edited December 13, 2016 by RogerH Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Cross referencing old filters could, and all too often was, a nightmare 20 years ago when I was managing a motor factoring concern. Just because one filter will physically FIT a location does NOT mean that it is an appropriate substitute for the specified filter. Many of the 'spin-on conversions' offered over the years (for all marques) failed to even specify a particular filter, or mayhap suggested incompatible options . . . . . sheer ignorance I suspect, the supplier focusing on what might be persuaded to fit, as opposed to what could do a proper job. Caveat emptor most definitely applies when it comes to altered filter fitments . . . . . . which is why our classic cars retain OE filter systems. If I was looking for a spin-on filter, let alone a conversion kit, I'd be referring to the likes of TR Enterprises, Revingtons, TRGB, for example . . . . . guys who actually build engines as opposed to merely supplying parts, and have to rely on their own judgement or pay the penalty. Sure the filter will probably cost more than from a classic parts supermarketeer . . . . . you are paying for advice and experience after all. How much does an engine rebuild cost ? Cheers Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MostEasterlySteve Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Mann W 712/43 No need to look further. I've tried them all. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Skoda-Rover-Ford-Mazda-121-MK3-Mann-Oil-Filter-Spin-On-Type-Service-Engine-/291229562359?hash=item43cea275f7:g:u5MAAOSwDk5T~rs3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poolboy Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 (edited) All of them ?? Anyway, here's a link that might be useful in searching for desirable alternatives. http://oilfilterdata.com/index.php?view=filter_info&model=PH3600 For comparison: http://oilfilterdata.com/index.php?view=filter_info&model=W%20712 Edited December 14, 2016 by poolboy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DaveN Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 (edited) Oil filters:Short:Wix WL7074Wix 7250Fram PH2964Cooper Z121Unipart GFE173Champion C106Halfords HOF265Long:Wix 7090Unipart GFE 227Fram PH2825APersonally I can find nothing wrong with the Halfords incarnation.However here is a link any one will open up a further list. www.oilfilter-crossreference.com edit to make the link live. Edited December 15, 2016 by daven Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PaulAA Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 (edited) Gents I'll have another go tomorrow AM Originally tried twice, but, no go, said couldn't upload files 'of this type' ??? John The easiest way is probably to host it as a pdf through a dropbox or sync vault. If you don't have one, I'm happy to do upload it for you, but you'll need to email me the file. Cheers Paul Edited December 14, 2016 by PaulAA Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobH Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 Or you could take a screen shot of the spreadsheet, save it as a jpeg and upload that ? Otherwise anyone not using Microsoft won't be able to read the file without converting it to another format. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnG Posted December 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 Or you could take a screen shot of the spreadsheet, save it as a jpeg and upload that ? Otherwise anyone not using Microsoft won't be able to read the file without converting it to another format. Rob Thought of that . . . too big Besides, I use Kingsoft Office, not Microsoft (Too expensive . . Kingsoft is free, give it a try) John The easiest way is probably to host it as a pdf through a dropbox or sync vault. If you don't have one, I'm happy to do upload it for you, but you'll need to email me the file. Cheers Paul Paul, PM an email address and I will send you a copy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don H. Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 Or you could take a screen shot of the spreadsheet, save it as a jpeg and upload that ? Otherwise anyone not using Microsoft won't be able to read the file without converting it to another format. Or print tp pdf and upload that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnG Posted December 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 (edited) Duh pdf . . . . . .thanks Don This was a 15 minute job to get and a few more to tidy up It would not take long to get it to 1000+ references and beyond My point is just . . . . .don't just assume that because the site / chart / book says it is a fit, that it fits There are 3 criteria and they must ALL meet to full fill the ' replacement' criteria, they are; - Form; it must look the same, with the same critical dimensions (seal ID / OD / Section, Thread design, mating face dimensions) - Fit; It must fit in the space designed for it whilst meeting the 'Form' requirements - Function; It must do the same (or better) job Don't just accept the story printed by the suppliers in literature or on web sites, it is usually suspect Filtration is a dark art, the preserve of the chosen few, who are trained from birth to understand, if we do not follow their teachings, catastrophe will befall us . . . . . . . .Fear is often used to persuade the unsure. The best advice . . . . Listen to the Forum! There is always someone there with the knowledge and experience to help us through our moments of doubt Use a known International brand; in this case the likes of K & N, Unipart, Bosch, Donaldson, Knecht(Mahle) . . . .if they meet the form, fit and function rules. TR6 Oil filter X ref v1.0.pdf Edited December 14, 2016 by wjgco Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 Good heavens John, do you not sleep. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mike C Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 Thanks John, This comprehensive summary was much needed. I can appreciate the amount of work you have put into it. Regards, Mike C Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewP Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 For those of us in 'down here' the Ryco units DO include a pressure bypass valve "RYCO oil filters incorporate a safety relief valve (often referred to as a bypass valve). This valve allows oil to bypass the filter should the filter become blocked due to the lack of vehicle servicing, or when starting the engine in extremely cold conditions and the oil has become exceptionally thick" Source: http://www.rycofilters.com.au/library/tips/about_oil_filters.pdf Nice to know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mike C Posted December 15, 2016 Report Share Posted December 15, 2016 Thanks Andrew, I'm glad you and Andy found suitable Ryco filters. I've used Ryco's since the 1960's without any problems. Even when they are hanging on to a TR6 oil adapter by two threads at 100 psi. Regards, Mike C Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OldBob Posted September 6, 2020 Report Share Posted September 6, 2020 On 12/14/2016 at 9:32 AM, DaveN said: Oil filters: Short: Wix WL7074 Wix 7250 Fram PH2964 Cooper Z121 Unipart GFE173 Champion C106 Halfords HOF265 Long: Wix 7090 Unipart GFE 227 Fram PH2825A Personally I can find nothing wrong with the Halfords incarnation. However here is a link any one will open up a further list. www.oilfilter-crossreference.com edit to make the link live. Very useful thanks Dave Bob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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