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I'm looking for a TR6 and have chance to buy an early (69) model. It was originally a European car which has bee repatriated and converted to RHD. Would I be wise to look for a later CP car and does the conversion from LHD lessen the value? I have circa 20K to spend but desirability is more important than cost - would 25K buy a stunner? I have little experience of current day values - I payed £1,000 for a 1971 car in 1974 with less than 14,000 miles on it and sold in in 1979 for more than that. I know now I should have kept her. (ERX13K currently on SORN) How times have changed but how much? Your comments will be much appreciated. Cheers

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A genuine UK RHD 150 BHP Fuel Injected car will always be worth more and be more desirable than a converted LHD - RHD European model in retail terms. I would always buy a car based on its condition firstly and the quality of any restoration done.

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If it was a European market PI car and the conversion had been done properly then I wouldnt have said there would be that much difference. Early cars in general arent worth any less up to the introduction of the CR model.

Marko remember that green one from down here, that was a Euro market development car for one of the tyre companies and still had both sets of holes so they could use it here and in Europe. Condition of the car was very good so still worth the money.

Stuart.

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Thanks for the comments received so far - some dealers are advertising cars with seriously high prices for imported low mileage cars.These are generally US cars and as a buyer looking for a CP car I'm not considering one of those. But - Is it possible that some LHD CP TR6s were assembled completely in Europe - (I've heard a rumour) - or shipped as RHD and converted by Leyland or the Dealer to LHD in Europe before sale to the first owner? Perhaps a third option is true - European countries were supplied with LHD cars direct from the factory in the U.K.? I suspect that the last option is correct but any specialists know the answer?

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Pando, I have a cp just getting to the painting stage that is a nut and bolt resto. That will be for sale .........soon

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Elclem - would that be a RHD car? I see your location is in France. If not a LHD car what would your asking price be in £s and would the car be available in the UK - forgot to ask what colour and is this the original colour? If this is not the appropriate place to discuss cars for sale could someone point me to the appropriate place. Cheers

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Your original question asked if 1969 CP TR6's were worth less. I believe if anything a comparable 1969 CP TR6 would be worth slightly more as they were less of them. There com no. started from CP25000 to CP26***. There were less than 2000. There are quite a few differences compared to the later CP TR6's. I have always found them to be more desirable.

 

Cheers John

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Thanks for the post John - I'm sure there is something in what you say. A car on a 'G' plate would look less common at the very least.

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Hi Pando,

 

do you have a name ?

 

LHD CP cars could have been assembled at Canley, or probably more often at the BL assembly plant at Malines (Mechelen, in Flemish) in Belgium - the Malines-built cars will carry the appropriate commission number digits to identify them as such.

 

Search the Forums for Malines and you'll soon come up with some more detail . . . . . top left of the screen, Search facility, click on This topic and then on the resulting pop-up sub-menu click to Forums . . . . .

 

Cheers

 

Alec

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Alec, P and O is mine and my son's initial. Pete and Owen. We are also on the mini forum - he will inherit the mini on his 17'th next March which is why I'm now seeking a car for myself. We enjoy classic car shows and keep the mini for best and regular runs with our local club - a TR will get a bit more use I hope. Long runs in a mini at 17mph per 1,000 rpm is a bit different to 28 mph in overdrive top.

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How many LHD 69s were there? Can't imagine there'd have been many. Conversion or not (as Stuart mentioned) the holes/parts are all there to swap them back & forth so you could convert it to wherever the best market is for them.

 

All depends on your plans for it I suppose. If you are planning on using the TR more then a concourse car is just buying depreciation though at least not as quickly as a new car...! I get the feeling you want a v v nice driver, not a trailer queen (or you'd be playing w E types etc?) so just get the best sorted CP you can (or CR if it's one that you really like). As long as you can move it to another person when you want to does the desirability matter? If it's an investment it stops being a car to play with.

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The majority of 1969 TR6 PI were LHD. Out of the total of 1995 some 840 were built as LHD at Malines and to date I have a record of another 191 LHD built at Canley which makes a total of 1031. I haven't competed the exercise yet and have records of 1714 out of the 1995 but plan to do so at some time in the future.

 

With regards the comments above I would agree with the consensus that you buy the best condition car that you can find, it certainly wouldn't matter to me whether it had started out at Malines or was a conversion from LHD as long as it had been carried out professionally.

 

cheers

 

Derek

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[quote name="matttnz" post="506753" timestamp="1480142236"

 

All depends on your plans for it I suppose. If you are planning on using the TR more then a concourse car is just buying depreciation though at least not as quickly as a new car...! I get the feeling you want a v v nice driver, not a trailer queen (or you'd be playing w E types etc?) so just get the best sorted CP you can (or CR if it's one that you really like). As long as you can move it to another person when you want to does the desirability matter? If it's an investment it stops being a car to play with.

 

+1

 

Brian

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Hi pando. I have sent a PM to explain about car. Andy

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Whattya know! So much for my assumption that the PIs were mostly UK...

 

The majority of 1969 TR6 PI were LHD. Out of the total of 1995 some 840 were built as LHD at Malines and to date I have a record of another 191 LHD built at Canley which makes a total of 1031. I haven't competed the exercise yet and have records of 1714 out of the 1995 but plan to do so at some time in the future.

 

With regards the comments above I would agree with the consensus that you buy the best condition car that you can find, it certainly wouldn't matter to me whether it had started out at Malines or was a conversion from LHD as long as it had been carried out professionally.

 

cheers

 

Derek

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Thanks for all your comments. After careful consideration I have decided that a UK CP car is the one for me. I want to enjoy using the car more than worrying about issues such as an unleaded head conversion, ethanol fuel issues etc so have decided that a newly rebuilt car is the way to go. Through this forum I am now in contact with Andy and excitedly looking forward to realising ownership of the car of my dreams.

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Chaps,

Not sure if this helps, but if you goggle "how many left" and put in the relevant info, it will tell you how many cars are sorn or on the road for any make and vehicle model and age in the UK.

Regards,

 

John

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Looking at the history for TR6s there has been a gradual increase in numbers over recent years.

A lot of this increase can probably be attributed to repatriated cars - since the Brexit devaluation this will have a likely effect on imported car's prices perhaps. Maybe there is now the potential for movement of cars back the other way.

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A cp with overdrive is the one to have, a low mileage car will have much more problems than a car that’s used more regular, 

when a car is not used for many years the seals deteriorate, the water cristalizes, brake cylinders freeze and much more, I know I bought a cp that had hardly been used for 30 years, I’ve gradually replaced all deteriorated parts, luckily I had time on my hands and needed a hobby, now it’s a pleasure to drive, feels much more powerful that the supposed 150 hp, also 30 mpg on a long run. 

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7 hours ago, Alan packman said:

A cp with overdrive is the one to have, a low mileage car will have much more problems than a car that’s used more regular, 

when a car is not used for many years the seals deteriorate, the water cristalizes, brake cylinders freeze and much more, I know I bought a cp that had hardly been used for 30 years, I’ve gradually replaced all deteriorated parts, luckily I had time on my hands and needed a hobby, now it’s a pleasure to drive, feels much more powerful that the supposed 150 hp, also 30 mpg on a long run. 

+1. A CP daily driver in good condition is ideal unless you want a concours car. Note this is only true when the PI system is working correctly-"now it’s a pleasure to drive, feels much more powerful that the supposed 150 hp". 

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On 11/27/2016 at 6:09 PM, matttnz said:

Whattya know! So much for my assumption that the PIs were mostly UK...

 

Australia and New Zealand, and I suspect South Africa, got heaps of RHD PIs. Mine is CP51049, Feb 1970.

 

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2 hours ago, John McCormack said:

Australia and New Zealand, and I suspect South Africa, got heaps of RHD PIs. Mine is CP51049, Feb 1970.

 

Yep. I've got 2. 71 and 72.

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