James67 Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Hi All So I was browsing through some of the online auctions as you do and I came across A TR4 which was pleasantly described as This car is described by the vendor as a solid example of the Triumph TR4, first registered in February 1963 ,The car is a one owner vehicle and comes with the original log book. I went and looked at this car today and the best way I could describe it was it was a solid but certainly a barn find. So I stayed to see if it would even make Guide Price: £8,000 to £11,000. some i was quite shocked when the bidding went up and over 15,000 pounds then past 18,000 pounds and here it seemed to falter for a bit then carefully and very tentatively settled, are you ready for this 24,300 pounds plus all the auction fees. what she am I missing here SHED me. And as several hours later I still can't believe it and I don't believe I'm writing this post what is going on with a classic car market.............. James http://www.barons-auctions.com/auction_details.php?aid=15&cid=575 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MRG1965 Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Hi, clearly time for me to sell mine and retire to a desert island, purchased with the profit! Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 One and more born everyday Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Graham Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Did you see how much the blue 3a went for ? ATB Graham Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Hi James, like you I am staggered. You can buy a well sorted TR4 for that money. The new owner will need to stick another 10 - 15K on top to make it good. Prices should go up. Sometimes more than they should but this is madness. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Red 6 Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Just goes to show what a bargain at £27500 my friends completely rebuilt from the new chassis upwards was. Mind you there is another thread on the subject of this TR4 at Barons Quote Link to post Share on other sites
James67 Posted April 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Hi Graham The blue 3A got to 22,000 but was provisional and in the end was not sold. James... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john.r.davies Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 (edited) Another thread entirely, but about the 'Bomb' starter, with a rounded protector over the pinion. I've got one of those!!!!!!! I thought, How much are they worth? £300! At Rimmers: http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-GRID200517 But slow, my beating heart. The starter on my shelves has that rounded end, but not the narrowed section between that and the body. It's from some thing else. Is that price another expression of an inflating market? JOhn Edited April 6, 2016 by john.r.davies Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Graham Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Hi Graham The blue 3A got to 22,000 but was provisional and in the end was not sold. James... WOw that was on a dealers forecourt at £18k last week ex South African car ATB Graham Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Harvey Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 1. one owner 2. genuine UK RHD 3. first log book and MOT = complete provenance 4. original Surrey top 5. Believable 50k miles from new 6. Almost totally original including parts no longer available like chrome indicator stalk which actually indicates it is totally genuine 7. Capable of careful, conservative repair to show standards Find me another one and start the thread again.......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
James67 Posted April 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Hi Paul All really good points....... But really James Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 1. one owner 2. genuine UK RHD 3. first log book and MOT = complete provenance 4. original Surrey top 5. Believable 50k miles from new 6. Almost totally original including parts no longer available like chrome indicator stalk which actually indicates it is totally genuine 7. Capable of careful, conservative repair to show standards Find me another one and start the thread again.......... See my reply on the parallel thread. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Tangential question for us non UK folks, what does shed mean when used as a verb in this context ? Puzzled of Dunstable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Hi Stan, I think it is the polite way of swearing in text. A bit like fiddlesticks instead of f*&k @t. Mind you I have a small shed and when I banged my head on the door frame I didn't say shed. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Hi Stan, I think it is the polite way of swearing in text. A bit like fiddlesticks instead of f*&k @t. Mind you I have a small shed and when I banged my head on the door frame I didn't say shed. Roger Got it, thanks Roger. So when Sue tells you to shut the shed up she is not concerned about someone stealing the lawnmower. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Harvey Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Got it, thanks Roger. So when Sue tells you to shut the shed up she is not concerned about someone stealing the lawnmower. She is, but being British is far too polite to say so. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Morrison Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 (edited) 'Shed' in this context is a term for a very dilapidated Vehicle, can be used for cars either still 'on the road' or not, As in " you still driving that 'shed' " or I wouldn't have bought that 'shed' Comes from the fact that sheds. I.e. Garden sheds can be very run down if neglected.u First heard the term during banter between to taxi drivers. John Edited April 8, 2016 by john Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EdwinTiben Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 Classic car prices are rising everywhere, I have always wondered why the price of a tr4 is low in comparison to other. Have seen Spitfires and gt6 reaching pricelevel of 20000£. On dutch online marketplaces tr4' do 10000£ little money for much car. Good to see theres appriciation of a mostly original paint, panel surrey top car Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SuzanneH Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 (edited) She is, but being British is far too polite to say so.Oi.....! ! I'm only 38% British. Thanks for the kind thoughts. Edited April 8, 2016 by SuzanneH Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Red 6 Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 I actually use my Volvo v70 as a shed. In that I keep the parts I have removed from my 3a restoration in it. Very useful car is a Volvo V70. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobG Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 (edited) Crikey, am I wasting my time restoring my TR4 ? Should I just send it to auction as it is, maybe I am spoiling it as a full blown amateur, maybe I am devaluing my car. It is a UK 1964 TR4 two owners with copy original log book, BRG with wire wheels and overdrive.All exterior panels still in original paint, even has chrome indicator stalks. So, is it worth more left alone or 'rebuilt' by me with the stanpart panels I got with the car, it came off the road in 1988 and the panels were all purchased then, I must say they have been an excellent fit. BTW, Dawn and kego, look like you both doing a superb job, hope mine will look that good soon. Edited April 8, 2016 by RobG Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RAHTR4 Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 Hi Rob, Worry not, continue, you are on the right track with the car and parts that you have purchased and its ongoing restoration. This particular TR4 seems to have achieved a special aura of being an original time capsule to be re-awakened after a touch of light restoration, having actually seen the car, this is far from the truth. This TR4 was originally a convertible model, which at some point has been changed to a Surrey Top and this conversion has only been half completed. The interior trim is totally past redemption, the instruments are a mixture of domed and flat glass, the sun-visors are unusable. At some point this car has been involved in an accident to the offside, visible signs still being present and the bonnet has been replaced with a later version probably following the accident. The front offside wing has serious corrosion in, around, above and below the sealer plate / inner splash panel and inner wing. All the stainless steel wing trims require replacement, all are dented and one is held in place with a self tapper. Both sill have been unconventionally "partially" replaced evidenced by incorrect joints and visual pop rivets. At some point both rear wings have been off the car and incorrectly re-fitted - the wings themselves have signs of strong corrosion in the usual areas. The car has been re-sprayed a number of times with hand brush painting under the bonnet and in my opinion none of it is of a quality that it could be recovered. The boot spare wheel cover is missing, the rear petrol tank cover panel is missing, the engine does run but has a knock and the carbs leak - all as advised by the Auction House. One of the steel wheels is bent, the rear suspension on the nearside requires attention, the top of the boot lid is bent and both hinges are basically scrap because of this. The petrol filler cap have massive number of corrosion craters, the front bumper was bent in two places and the rear light lenses are odd - one being TR4 and one being TR5. I could go on, but the list is rather long. The purchase price of £27,440 was a total surprise to me as this car is not even one of the first production batch of cars with the very special features. It is a car that probably rolled off the production line during October 1962 but did not find an owner until February 1963. It does retain many of its original fitments, however without doubt it does require a complete restoration and this will obviously cost a rather large sum of money, I trust the new owner will carry-out a proper re-build sympathetic to its age and production, retaining its originality where possible. I can only assume that the hype of a one owner car caused the bidding fever, pushing the price up to such an unrealistic figure. Regards, Richard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 Having been sold it is no longer a 'one owner car' Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobG Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 (edited) Richard, Well you certainly highlighted a few bad areas on that car, I gather you have seen the car in the flesh. This will be an eye opener for the new owner if he happens to be TRR member. Pop rivets in the sills, sacre bleu, I use them to position, but they are removed puddle welded over on finish, hope that ok. Re-sprayed several times ? I thought this was an 'original unmolested barn find' ? Thank you, I am revitalised, I will get back to my restoration with new vigour. Have nearly finished new bodyshell rebuild, lifting carefully onto suspension frame so I can roll out chassis and start on suspension and drivetrain. Edited April 8, 2016 by RobG Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 I think we need to recall here that many a UK Michelotti TR was in need of a major rebuild by the mid-1970s . . . . if it hadn't already been scrapped by virtue of terminal corrosion, that is. For sure I don't remember that many decent unrestored TR4s or 4As by the 1980s - a few, but very much the rare exception, not the rule. Richard's observations seem to me to be pretty much in line with the average unrestored TR of the latter 1970s, and to that extent this one as he describes it is indeed a time warp - in the condition that we might have expected 40 years ago. . Cheers Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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