pfenlon Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 At Barons a 63 TR4 with surrey. looks a decent buy for someone http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1963-Triumph-TR4-/231877471058?hash=item35fcf96b52:g:4hEAAOSwh-1W5tLz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
peejay4A Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Is Barons using eBay as an advertising channel or would they sell it to you for the classified ad price of £10,000? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Geko Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Either I suspect. It looks like 10K would be a Buy it Now price whereby the auctioneer premium would be partly discounted. If it doesn't sell via this channel then it would go on live auction with full premium. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 ? for Alec ,if you hit the buy it now and pay for it whould they have to let it go? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Several classic auction houses utilise ebay classifieds as a cheap advertising medium for forthcoming auctions . . . . something of an irony when you think about it ! Bear in mind here that ebay classifieds are just that, traditional classifieds . . . . there is no 'Buy it Now' or 'Best Offer' option, a classified listing is simply an invitation to discuss, as it were, just as in the days of Exchange & Mart paper classified adverts.. Last year I telephoned a trio of auctioneers in respect of listings of a similar nature, classic cars listed under ebay classified as coming up for sale at a forthcoming auction. Each of the three expressed varying degrees of surprise at my polite enquiry as to whether the cars might be open to negotiation or purchased prior to auction. None of them were exactly polite in response, one finding it necessary to express himself in four-letter terms - clearly they regarded such an enquiry as idiotic, an attitude guaranteed, I'm sure, to encourage any novice potential buyer. I've not heard of any such cars being sold via ebay classifieds, and in my opinion the listings are a misuse of ebay facilities. Cheers Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Thanks Alec I agree just to warn the others Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlanT Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 You even find restorers advertising their services. They do this by showing a half-finished "project" with a stupid price on it. Like this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-E-Type-/231806368740?hash=item35f8bc7be4:g:RaoAAOSwB4NWxIJC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Geko Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Just called Barons. Alec is right. Auction only. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marko Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Ebay is merely used as a cheap "global" advertising media by the Auction houses.....ironic using Ebay yes but a very big "catchment" audience.... I'm surprised Ebay allow it really but I guess they just "take the money" and smile Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisR-4A Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 I suggest we all log into ebay and report the item, their catagory "presale" seems to be the closest to the problem. It clearly gives a classified ad price yet is not for sale. I wonder if they pay ebay seller fees when it sells at auction, like the rest of us have to. Note, the "report item" is not visible on the mobile app. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nowtelse2do Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 It says, contact the seller. Click on to seller's details and it says the seller is Peter Gascoigne, Barons Auctioneers Esher, but the car is listed as being in Southampton. Wonder what would happen if you asked to see it and they refused to give an address. Dave Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Ebay terms for classifieds are clear enough Advertise on eBay just as you'd use a traditional classified ad. You state a price, the buyer contacts you, and you handle the transaction personally. Duration: Most run for 28 days with the option of Good 'Til Cancelled. Fees: Vary by category. Good 'Til Cancelled insertion fee is charged every 28 days. Services: No access to eBay services such as Feedback and problem resolution How it worksAdvertise on eBay just as you'd use a traditional classified ad. You state a price, the buyer contacts you, and you handle the transaction personally.You can create a Classified Ad in the following categories: eBay Motors, Property, Cars, Motorcycles & Vehicles and Business, Office and Industrial DurationClassified Ads run for 28 days with the option of listing Good 'Til Cancelled. Good 'Til Cancelled listings renew automatically every 28 days unless all of the items sell, you end the listing, or the listing breaches an eBay policy. FeesClassified Ads within the Property and Cars, Parts & Vehicles and Business, Office and Industrial categories will incur fees after the 28-day period should you wish to keep your ad on the site. See the fees for Classified Ad format. Business Sellers - Fees for Motors If you're selling a high volume of vehicles on eBay, have a look at eBay Motors Pro.For listings in Parts & Accessories, our standard fees apply. Classified Auction Buy it now Listing fees Insertion fees £13.03 £8.70 £8.70 Optional listing upgrades Gallery plus £2.60 Free Free Subtitle £0.43 £0.43 £0.43 Listing designer Free Free Free Scheduler Free Free Free Add Buy it now - £2.60 - Reserve price - £6.95 - Final value fees Final value fee - 0.9% final selling price (min £17.39 max £30.43) So there you have it . . . . . . the traditional classified format is a cheap way of promoting an auction, but to my way of thinking that does not fall within the spirit or letter of ebay terms & conditions. The auctioneers are not circumventing any ebay fees - there are none for classifieds, other than the initial listing fee. If you click the 'report item' button, then choose report category 'listing practices', then reason for report 'inappropriate seller terms', then detailed reason 'presale' that seems about right ! Cheers Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pfenlon Posted March 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Jesus wept, whats the matter with the Ad, I saw it as an opportunity for someone to buy a decent car from an AUCTION house. Instead, all the pseudo Sherlock Holmes conspiracy theorists are proving that they all wish to give the seller a bashing. He is using his loaf, FMD, not a jot about the car itself, life's not fair is it, or hasn't the penny dropped. All the info is THERE for ALL to see. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 The car looks decent enough Pete, and the estimate is doubtless on the low side . . . . but it's not yet a car for sale, just an auction notice, so whether or not it turns out to be a bargain the bidders will decide. If it does go for £10K someone will have a bargain for recommissioning . . . . . Cheers Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ray gill Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Well very done Peter. Good man. I can't think poor ebay. What is there to report. I'd say spread the word. Get it out there. What a nice find for the auction house and the new buyer. Thanks peter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brydon Posted March 27, 2016 Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 When attending any auction never forget to read the small print, for this auction house, if the hammer falls @ £10000. , the actual price for the purchaser would be £11200.00 when the 10% + VAT buyers fee is added to the hammer price. In addition, hefty storage charges can be applied if the car isn't removed on the day of sale, this is often the case when the auction is held at a third party location. All Auction houses are different, I understand mainstream car auctions (BCA for example) actually charge a premium for counting cash. The term "Buyer Beware" has never been more apt. I hope the above is a useful reminder. Kind regards Andrew Quote Link to post Share on other sites
swift Posted April 3, 2016 Report Share Posted April 3, 2016 Hi, Good afternoon. I'm looking at this Tr4 as my next project. It looks very original and complete and more a recommissioning then a restoration. As a fairly newbie i would like some advise or thoughts on the Tr4 in mention.... As for the seats, is see they have been replaced with period bucket seats. What should be the correct type of seats fitted, Isn't there 2 types? Regards Sean Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stevecross Posted April 3, 2016 Report Share Posted April 3, 2016 Anyone fancy a bit of fun with this Guess the hammer price? Selling prices are so odd at the moment it's anyone's guess but I will pitch in with 14500GBP. (sorry, using a French laptop, only have $ or euros) Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RAHTR4 Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Hi, Good afternoon. I'm looking at this Tr4 as my next project. It looks very original and complete and more a recommissioning then a restoration. As a fairly newbie i would like some advise or thoughts on the Tr4 in mention.... As for the seats, is see they have been replaced with period bucket seats. What should be the correct type of seats fitted, Isn't there 2 types? Regards Sean Sean, You have a PM. Look for it at top right hand corner of page - it should be highlighted. Regards, Richard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Geko Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Given the commission # CT11808 the original seats should be type 2 - with folding back- fitted on the TR3A/B and TR4 until body # 15076 CT (Bill Piggott). Although there's no "matching" between com# and body# there"s a loose connection and the body # will most likely before #15076. As for the seats, is see they have been replaced with period bucket seats. What should be the correct type of seats fitted, Isn't there 2 types? Regards Sean Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR 2100 Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Sean, There are three types of TR4 seat. The first fitted up to (about) body #15076CT (about November 1963), a second type fitted for a few thousand cars only before the third type fitted to the end of production. Moss parts book have these listed and identified. This car, being 1963, would probably have been the third type, but would be the second type if it was an early 1963 car and could even have the TR3/3A/3B type if there was a delay in first registration. AlanR Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Red 6 Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Well it will need a few bob spending on it that's for sure! I recon £14k Quote Link to post Share on other sites
swift Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Sold for £24,500 plus 10% commission & VAT .! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
swift Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Not to me i'd like to Add. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Red 6 Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Gasp! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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