Kutscher Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 The correct type ashtray for a triumph TR2 (early) is the swivel type. I have different books of Triumph TR2/3, but i cannot find a real picture from it. Has anyone a real picture from Stanpart number 701019 ? I have never seen one in real with the correct type Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jdwtrxk Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 The swivel type actually was the optional fitment until the introduction of the slide type at TS42400 (NA Market) and was available in other markets till the end. I had one in a box that i traded to an early 3A owner for another type of swivel ashtray usually seen as a BMC option that there is some basis to suggest were available on the earliest TR2s before the typical swivel one was produced. I wish i had a picture of the 'typical' ashtray; should have taken one for reference years ago. They are out there. The bulk of the 70109 piece is black bakelite and the screen or tray or whatever the bit the butts go into was chrome. It installs by two small screws to the lip of the fascia usually outboard of the steering wheel but a better spot is where the sliding type was mounted below the passenger's side fascia support bracket. These ashtrays are fragile and In either place are very susceptible to being broken by errant knees. In that regard the 'possible' earlier chrome ashtray is a bit safer as it pivots inside its case, but these early ones are also easy to miss with ashes and too small to use for storing little items - thus not as effective in their job. You can't beat the sliding type as either an ashtray or a general purpose small unit storage bin. They aren't pretty, but they are virtual buckets. Unfortunately they have become ridiculously expensive. Comparatively, the swivel types are useless except for the 'bling' factor and that they are great little early bits. Again, sorry no picture. Lots of good people in here - surely one will turn up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sidescreen Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) Hi, Hope this will help you any further... Cheers - Raymond Edited January 3, 2015 by sidescreen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kutscher Posted January 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) Hi, Thanks for detailed explanation of the different types ashtray and pictures. So i unterstand that there are three different types. 1. The very early chrome type swivel. 2. The bakelite swivel with chrome screen. Part number 701019 3. Slide type with bakelite front. Part number ? (also 701019?) For complete my dokumentation of ashtray for TR I also need a real picture of the very early chrome swivel type. Someone ? Raymond, i am just reading your book 'Triumph Roads TR2&TR3' beautifull book with a lot of welcome information! Cheers Edited January 4, 2015 by Kutscher Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sidescreen Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) Hi Robin, Thanks for your compliments about my book and thanks for reading it! Second there indeed could be three types of ashtrays, actually four. The fourth one wasn't original but aftermarket. I can send you a picture if you wish... The number of the sliding ashtray is 608697. Hereby two more pictures of type nr.1, for which I am not completely sure, and type nr.3. Raymond Edited January 3, 2015 by sidescreen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EdwinTiben Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 Hi, Raymond, The chrome swivel in your last picture, nr1 looks exactly like the one used in herald (estate, perhaps others). i have 2 of them in my Estate. sure this was for TR2? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sidescreen Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) Edwin, I am completely sure about nr. 2 & 3 but not 100% about nr. 1. I discovered the picture long ago and having not the box such as on the pictures of nr.2 & 3. Raymond Edited January 3, 2015 by sidescreen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EdwinTiben Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 Nr 2 and 3 are correct, Have seen nr2 before on a tr2 and nr 3 is later tr type. Had one in my tr2 when we bought it. Somewhere in a box now.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rodbr Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 This is another type used on early cars I think and what I have on mine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sidescreen Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) Hmm, it’s getting a bit like a mystery now… I fitted on my 3A (TS61003LO - Oct.'59) the sliding type 608697 as used on U.S. cars from TS 42400, according to one of Bill Piggott’s books (Original TR2/3/3A page 105). Due to this topic and further search I came across the 3A accessory brochure, which has been printed 4/61, and shows at item number 12 the (early) swivelling type of ashtray with number 701019..!! Conclusion:It maybe could be that the sliding type has been used for the U.S. market after TS 42400 whilst the swivelling type still lived on for the home market? A picture of ashtray number 4 will follow later (have to go to the garage), which makes a total of 5 including Rod’s example! Raymond Edited January 4, 2015 by sidescreen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rodbr Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) Hi Raymond, I don't know if it is correct or not but it seems to have been used on Rover P4 and early Morris 1000. Fits the slotted hole in the dash bracket. It may as simple they fitted whatever could be got from the store at the time. Bakelite was popular in the UK but perhaps chrome was more popular in the US. An ashtray in a sidescreen car does seem almost superfluous. Although my car was exported to US it was first used and registered in the UK it was sold under the Home export scheme. Perhaps the lady owner wanted one and this was all that was available. Here is the Rover P4 with it fitted.I have found P4 Rover as early as 1958 with it fitted so it is period if not correct. Edited January 4, 2015 by Rodbr Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BrianC Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) I have one of the bakelite type waiting to go on eBay when I get around to it - can't remember if it came out of Lynda's Morris Minor or one of the TRs or my Spitfire. I have seen that type been fitted to lots of other 50s/60s cars. Edited January 4, 2015 by BrianC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 When researching this item for the Moss TR2-3-4 catalogue we asked the Morris Minor specialists what they offered their customers, as the item is very similar to that used in their vehicles. Their reply was "we tell 'em to flick it out the window" Peter W Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Worth remembering that in the 1950s (and 60s) there was a variety of ashtrays, and cigarette lighters, available as aftermarket items - see the small display ads of period motoring magazines. Many a car might have been fitted with one such 'as new', whether a dealer or owner fitment. Cheers, Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sidescreen Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) As promised herewith a picture of my ashtray "number 4" as an aftermarket period item. As you can see very easy to install by removing the rubber plug of the universal joint access. Cheers - Raymond Edited January 4, 2015 by sidescreen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rodbr Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 From slightly earlier brochure 1/8/54 and as expected with ST same part number for another part Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don H. Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 A couple of images of the bakelite-front sliding ashtray from an unrestored TR3B (TCF-series). (apologies for the poor focus.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kutscher Posted January 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 I Didn't know that number 4 was an after sales astray. When i purchased my Judson Supercharger, i get from the seller this number 4 astray because he thought it was from another car. Happy to hear that is from the TR range. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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