EdwinTiben Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 well.. the link is missing in my head... hopefully you can help me out here. restoration of my tr2 is progressing so less and less parts on the shelf, but... theres a part i just cant figure out where it belongs... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 (edited) That looks like the strap for the steering box but the bends look a bit odd. Picture below is from a TR3A, perhaps that accounts for the different profile. Edited November 26, 2014 by foster461 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lebro Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 When I was building up my 3 last year, I came across this bracket - I was sure it came from the car originaly, but I could not figure out where it belonged. I posted the question on this forum (can't find the post now) but no one could help. I think the solution above is probably correct, as I have just offered it up to the chassis / steering box mount, & it is the correct shape & size to fit. So next job is to fit it ! Good job I had not thrown it away. Bob. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dick Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 With all of the sidescreens that I have been involved in, I have never seen one of these brackets....my 3a has not got one......were they only fitted to earlier cars? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EdwinTiben Posted November 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Great! Will try it on this spot. Up till now i could remember the parts mostly or able to find it the partsmanual.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lebro Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Strap now attached Only a year late ! Thank you Edwin for starting this thread, I had consigned this part to my "general metal parts that look useful) bin. Bob. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 With all of the sidescreens that I have been involved in, I have never seen one of these brackets....my 3a has not got one......were they only fitted to earlier cars? I thought all the TR2's and TR3's got this strap but they are different because of the bumper iron changes between the different models. I think on the TR3A there is also a spacer on the bottom attachment point that goes between the strap and the bumper iron. Stan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rhino_mac Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 I thought all the TR2's and TR3's got this strap but they are different because of the bumper iron changes between the different models. I think on the TR3A there is also a spacer on the bottom attachment point that goes between the strap and the bumper iron. Stan That's right. Had to remove the bottom bolt and spacer from this to fit my bumper on my TR3A Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Smith Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 The relevant part numbers applicable to Cars built after Commission number TS22014 are:- 118444 Bracket Stiffening 118445 Distance Tube HB0937 Bolt for support Bracket, distance tube and stiffening bracket to chassis HB0937 3/8" UNF Bolt with Hex head x 4 5/8" Long. No information applicable to earlier cars in my S-T parts books. I have a spare bracket & distance tube if anyone needs one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dick Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Well you live and learn.......I wonder if it actually does anything. If it does why is there not one on the idler side? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lebro Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 I'm guessing that it is to help support the steering box "cradle" when applying lots of turning force to the steering wheel, ie when parking, or cornering hard. There must be some twisting force on the welds connecting the side cheeks to the chassis. The steering idler would not have the same forces on it. Bob. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EdwinTiben Posted November 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 I noticed when turning the wheel when parked that there was quite some movement in the "cradle", so this answers my question how to secure this too ! thanks guys !! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vivdownunder Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 There were two steering related components introduced as engineering changes, but I don't think drawings were updated. From TS8637 a two piece clamp was added to the bottom of the long column (attaches to the spring turret). Sometime during TR2 production a stiffening strap was added between the steering box mount and chassis (using bumper iron bolt), but only the different shaped TR3A version was listed as a spart part. Viv Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ianc Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Could have been the result of feedback from Ken Richardson and/or drivers in the rally cars, who would have mentioned concerns to him. These were the people who were using the cars really hard in arduous conditions. Ian Cornish Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sarge Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 Hi I know this is an old post, I am rebuilding a TR3 and have these brackets left over and found this old post very helpful. I have the 2 piece bracket that fits on the lower steering column but cant see how It fits to the turret, Has anyone any photos or diagrams showing this? Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ijonsson Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 What do you know, I also have one of those brackets in my "left over box". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 16 hours ago, Sarge said: Hi I know this is an old post, I am rebuilding a TR3 and have these brackets left over and found this old post very helpful. I have the 2 piece bracket that fits on the lower steering column but cant see how It fits to the turret, Has anyone any photos or diagrams showing this? Tony Tony, these pictures are from my TR3A so may not be the same as your car. First the lower bracket. And for completeness the upper support bracket which I believe does not exist on the TR2 with the one piece steering column. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iain Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 Stan you appear to have a welded on bracket to the turret which I don't think earlier cars have? and then a mounting bracket bolted to that. Certainly mine at TS 23XXX does not have that additional turret bracket. I think the earlier cars possibly had a simpler/inferior arrangement until the chassis design was changed? Has anyone got photos of the arrangement on earlier cars? Iain Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 Early chassis didnt have the bracket, there were a number of changes as they went on to try and cure steering mechanism moving around on rough roads. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 hour ago, iain said: Stan you appear to have a welded on bracket to the turret which I don't think earlier cars have? and then a mounting bracket bolted to that. Certainly mine at TS 23XXX does not have that additional turret bracket. I think the earlier cars possibly had a simpler/inferior arrangement until the chassis design was changed? Has anyone got photos of the arrangement on earlier cars? Iain That is correct Iain, that same bracket is present on the other side too in case the chassis was used for a RHD car I assume. Hopefully someone has similar pictures from an earlier car. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iain Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 Stuart and Stan...appreciate your answers and photo. Neil Revington has tried to explain as well. Earlier cars got the bracket, steering box to bumper iron and a less robust turret mounting..........photo anyone? Iain Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sarge Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 Thank you for your replies I will try and put a photo of the bracket I have on tomorrow. Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John McCormack Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 On 11/28/2014 at 12:44 AM, Dick said: With all of the sidescreens that I have been involved in, I have never seen one of these brackets....my 3a has not got one......were they only fitted to earlier cars? I have two TR2s, both 1954 one short and one long door. The short door I have had for 43 years and the long door is only 3 owner so both are pretty original. Neither have a strap as pictured from the steering box to the chassis. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iain Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 John I think that probably correct, the revision coming in later, as use showed that the steering box mounting bracket could twist and crack its welds. This is why I am interested to see what should be there to counter such an eventuality.The bumper iron to chassis bracket is so small, that one could see them being removed by PO's and not replaced as they do look very insignificant. I am intrigued also to see that column bracket that bolts to the suspension turret, the one preceding Stan's chassis change version. Again this is there to stop the column twisting under very heavy load and cracking the steering box mountings. I did a chassis up rebuild on my car in 1979......it could therefore be me that left these vital items off! Iain Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lebro Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 Could it be that the turret brackets were introduced at the same time as the split steering column - to support the now shorter tube ? Bob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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