2SwissTriumphs Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 Hi TR6 folks, I´m currently doing an engine rebuild for a customer who bought his TR6 in a dismantled state in Germany. The car is a 1970 LHD Pi specification car carrying chassis number 1CP50946LP. I´ve discovered that the 1 prefix and P suffix denote a car assembled in Belgium from a CKD kit but the engine number is also unusual. It looks as if there has been an engine swap at some point in the car´s history as the number on the engine now reads CC76662UE. The CC I believe denotes that this cylinder block was originally a USA-spec carb engine (this matches the camshaft fitted) but the cylinder head is still the correct Pi item for the age of vehicle. What I have not seen before is an engine number beginning CC and ending UE. Is this perhaps a re-stamped number (although the stamping looks factory to me and very similar to other TR6 engines we have in storage) or have I missed something ? In another, similar topic on the forums, it is suggested that the UE could be an LE or HE to indicate compression. The stamping is clearly a UE. I hope someone will be able to shed a little light on the subject as I promised the owner I would do a little detective work on his behalf ! He would also dearly love to find out his original engine number - how could this be achieved ? Thanks in advance for any help received. Regards, Martin. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 Hi Martin, have you looked at the TR Reg home page - downloads http://www.tr-register.co.uk/downloads/buyer_guides/TR6_Buyer_Beware.pdf Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 Hi Martin, Later CC engine USA spec . . . . USA CC started as HE, then went to E, then to UE . . . the latter suffix carrying on through CF engines. Cheers Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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foster461 Posted December 13, 2012 Report Share Posted December 13, 2012 (edited) The folks in Gaydon can generate a heritage certificate based on its commission number. The cert I got for my 74.5 TR6 included the engine number and other details. Stan Edited December 13, 2012 by foster461 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saffrontr Posted December 13, 2012 Report Share Posted December 13, 2012 Hi Martin, The original engine number was CP51167HE. The only other information that I have is that the original CKD kit was despatched to Belgium on the 8th May 1970 and the completed car was sold destination Belgium in August 1970. cheers Derek Quote Link to post Share on other sites
2SwissTriumphs Posted December 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2012 Hi Martin, The original engine number was CP51167HE. The only other information that I have is that the original CKD kit was despatched to Belgium on the 8th May 1970 and the completed car was sold destination Belgium in August 1970. cheers Derek Wow ! Thank you very much Derek, that´s amazing and very kind of you to take the time and look up the info for me ! May I ask what the source of the information is ? Factory records perhaps ? Martin. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saffrontr Posted December 13, 2012 Report Share Posted December 13, 2012 Hi Martin, The source is the Belgium Customs records held by the BMIHT at Gaydon in Warwickshire UK. These record the date the ckd was despatched from the UK factory to the Mechelen factory in Belgium, they record the engine number the date the assembled car was sold and the destination country. In the case of your TR6 I didn't record the actual date the TR was despatched just the month. The ckd kits were despatched in batches of 24 and there were 3600 TR6 in total assembled and painted at Mechelen. Heritage do produce certificates which will provide the information I have noted however unlike the TR6 assembled at Canley which record the engine number, body number, colour, trim, key numbers, destination dealer etc those for Mechelen only record what I have noted. cheers Derek Quote Link to post Share on other sites
2SwissTriumphs Posted December 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2012 Fantastic stuff - thanks again Derek ! I will pass on the information to our customer. He seemed a little dissapointed when we discovered his engine was not the original Pi unit. At least now we can stamp the correct number into the Pi-spec engine I am building - i´m sure this will cheer him up ! Martin. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Alec Pringle Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 No Martin, if the PI spec engine you are building has no connection with the original unit, there is no possible justification for adorning it with an engine number original to the car but . . . . to which it has no entitlement. AN Other TR owner may well have the original engine in his/her car, in which case you become not only a liar but a thief to boot . . . . As for the engine you are building - if you are rebuilding an engine complete, then fair enough it retains its original number, If you are recreating an engine from disassociated parts only then number it appropriately - bitsa. Cheers Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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