2long Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 The Lockheed splined hub, peg and collar (collar not shown) system for the TR-2 wire wheel is hard to find, and is a wear item. Here is a picture. Does anyone know of any new ones tucked away, or if enquiries have been made into making up a batch of right and left handed splined hubs? I am suspicious of used ones, and a batch special order hubs sounds like a reasonable possibility. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jean Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 As far as I know these items are not manufactured anymore and very,very hard to find The only I came across originated from a TR2 on which the axle had been replaced by a Girling item. Maybe someone knows better Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 I would chase Moss Europe. As their R&D manager I was responsible for the re introduction and productiion of these items. I did it with a the UK mfct of splined hubs, made to OE Triumph drawings and NOS samples. Give the R&D dept a call and ask WTF might be going on. All they need do is get out the drawings and samples and add a new product to their shelves worldwide. Peter W Quote Link to post Share on other sites
2long Posted January 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Peter: Thanks very much for the input. I contacted Moss Europe R & D by e-mail and will report on their reply. What a great resource to have a former Moss R & D manager on the forum! Let's see if Moss steps up to the plate with a new batch. Aloha Dan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR 2100 Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Peter: Thanks very much for the input. I contacted Moss Europe R & D by e-mail and will report on their reply. What a great resource to have a former Moss R & D manager on the forum! Let's see if Moss steps up to the plate with a new batch. Aloha Dan Methinks the cost would be prohibitive. Start with the cost of a spline and a hub as items already remanufactured then add quite a bit for hubs and splines that are a bit different and therefore limited production. I know it's not original but is it not possible to convert to the later type? Are the hubs effectively the same? I suspect there must be some differences as I think the change to separate hubs and splines came with the change to Girling disc brakes. Probably cheaper to remanufacture a Lockheed type hub only (if not already available)as used for steel wheels, then just fit the normal splined adaptor. AlanR Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vivdownunder Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 (edited) Unfortunately the hub end of a Lockheed diff is very different and non interchangeable with a Girling diff. The axles have different outer ends too. Oddly, the crown wheel and pinion is interchangeable. And of course many TR2's and drum braked TR3's have been updated with the stronger Girling diff, lessening demand for Lockheed parts. Perhaps collate a list of TR suppliers in the UK and USA and email everyone for any NOS. Regards, Viv. Edited January 20, 2011 by vivdownunder Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Isn't the Lockheed half shaft problematic (they break). Is there a supply of these. If not then that would be another nail in the coffin for the back axle thus making the wheel adaptor less likely to be re-made. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
2long Posted January 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Hello: Yes, there is a general sentiment that it is best to just switch to the Girling unit, as the lockheed halfshafts break, the hubs supposedly leak, etc. But my plan is to stay original, and if I can find hardened halfshafts (that sounds kinky), then I will be good to go. I know some folks had some hardened halfshafts made up in Holland, and I contacted them, but no luck. Still, I have the lockheed setup now, and I like that it is correct for my car. Dan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BrianC Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Given the number of axle swaps that have been done, there must be plenty of unwanted Lockheed axles lying around, either complete because they were changed as a precaution, or maybe with one broken halfshaft. If you really want to keep it original, then I'm sure an ad in TRaction or a phone around the usual TR specialists with used parts would turn up enough to keep you in spares for a few years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jean Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Brian, you would be surprised, asks my friend Pascal the owner of OVC... if I remember well it took him quite a long time to find some original hubs for his TR2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BrianC Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Brian, you would be surprised, asks my friend Pascal the owner of OVC... if I remember well it took him quite a long time to find some original hubs for his TR2 I knew that car when it was scattered around several sheds on allotments in Hertfordshire before Paul Howell discovered its true identity! Drooled over it when eventually rebuilt by Eddie Holden and missed out on buying it when he sold it, presumably to Pascal (but I probably wouldn't really have enjoyed owning such a valuable car!). I made several trips to inspect it again at IWE2010 and it looked better than ever, although somewhat changed. It's good to know it's being used and surprising that it still has a Lockheed axle - most of those cars in regular use, especially for classic/historic racing have been upgraded. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jean Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Yes Brian, Pascal has invested some serious money to have it rebuilt to original specifications, as you probably noticed it's also back to LHD. Pascal is aiming to drive all the major rallies in which the car competed in the past, starting 2 years ago with Liege-Rome-Liege The car is far away from becoming a museum piece Quote Link to post Share on other sites
2long Posted January 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Hi Jean: Could you post a picture of Pascal's car? It sound really nice! Aloha Dan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
2long Posted January 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Rats! Moss Europe did get back to me, but not with the answer I was hoping for. Martin Sutherland said they do have the drawings, but they are not "dimensioned" and do not have all the detailing required to manufacture the part. Surprisingly, they said they have never had the part remanufactured (contra to what Peter recalled), and they have no intention of doing so. AlanR called that one! Peter, do you recall the UK hub manufacturer that you worked with while at Moss R & D? I thought I might contact them directly to see what they can do. Perhaps they have a dusty stock of them in the back! Aloha Dan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Rats! Moss Europe did get back to me, but not with the answer I was hoping for. Martin Sutherland said they do have the drawings, but they are not "dimensioned" and do not have all the detailing required to manufacture the part. Surprisingly, they said they have never had the part remanufactured (contra to what Peter recalled), and they have no intention of doing so. AlanR called that one! Peter, do you recall the UK hub manufacturer that you worked with while at Moss R & D? I thought I might contact them directly to see what they can do. Perhaps they have a dusty stock of them in the back! Aloha Dan Dan, you have a PM Peter W Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) Dan, you have a PM Peter W I am guessing that the drawings are not dimensioned as he is looking at the assembly drawings not the sub assy drawings. A front splined hub is a splined section, drive peg and taper collar, mounting pegs. All these items have separate drawings and part nos. - Believe me it is a pain when you order a drawing (this can can weeks to come from the BMH archives) and then have to order and wait another few weeks for the sub assy drawings to be delivered. Back engineering from OE samples is often the quicker route. Edited January 25, 2011 by BlueTR3A-5EKT Quote Link to post Share on other sites
2long Posted January 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Update on Lockheed wire wheel hubs: Well, it was worth a try but no one wants to make the hubs and no one seems to have any. Many thanks to those who gave input, and special thanks to Peter W., who made a special inquiry on my behalf. This forum is great and I appreciate the help! My next thought is whether there is a way to restore hubs with worn splines or worn seating cone. The possibility of using "metal spray" or electroplating to build up the metal and then cut new splines is one thought. Does anyone have any experience with this technique on applications like this? It is an interesting engineering question. Dan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Hi Dan, re-cutting/facing the cone area is fairly straight forward but the splines would be rather difficult if not practically impossible. Electro-plating onto the splines is 'easy' enough (although you would not get a uniform deposition over all the spline surface) but the materials used are quite soft for the purpose in hand. Also cutting them back to the correct profile would be very interesting. Metal-spraying would/could put the correct material down but again you have the problem of shaping/surface finish etc. I think it would be easier to file another from a block Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rashmead Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 I'd welcome news on these hubs. I am a lapsed TR owner having had a late model TR6 for nearly 30 years, but the early TR hubs were used by Colin Chapman on the Lotus Mark IX which I am currently rebuilding after some years of racing. The offside one is out of true - a result of a hit before my ownership - and really could do with a replacement. Contact welcome on richard@ashmead.eu. Car pic attached - Photograph (2).pdf. Photograph (2).pdf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR 2100 Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Only one, but may help someone. I haven't seen one of these on eBay for the 5 years I've been checking. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-TR2-TR6-NOS-Stanpart-RH-Wire-Wheel-HUB-/170606752630?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27b8f47376 AlanR Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Only one, but may help someone. I haven't seen one of these on eBay for the 5 years I've been checking. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-TR2-TR6-NOS-Stanpart-RH-Wire-Wheel-HUB-/170606752630?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27b8f47376 AlanR That looks like an ordinary hub extension to me. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vivdownunder Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 That ebay spline will go on the front RH hub of a drum braked TR2/3, but not on the rear if it still has the Lockheed diff. Viv. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
2long Posted February 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Viv: Does that mean I can use this round plated hub with my original lockheed system on the right front, with no other adaptors? Is there a difference in the Lockheed square plated hubs from front to rear? I know they are right and left handed, but I don't know if they are different from front to rear. If the round plate hub mentioned above works, that would be a good option for me and I can use that on the right front and my right side lockheed hub (pictured at the beginning of the thread) on the right rear. Thanks very much for the help. Dan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Bazzano Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 I'm running a set of wires and those saame extended hubs on my TR2 with the Lockheed differential. No problem, they went right on, after shortening the lug bolts a tad. Great look on a classic car. John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vivdownunder Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Dan, front drum brakes use the very same bolt-on spline adaptors as used on disc braked cars. As John B said, the wheel lugs need shortening to clear the wire wheel hub. Sounds like John B had steel wheel hubs on his Lockheed axle (different to wire wheel hubs). I hadn't considered these might take later spline extensions, like on ebay. I've not tried this - an easy fix for wire wheels if it will work - Stuart might know. Regards, Viv. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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