Nuts Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Can anyone help me identify anti rattle clips that I can fit to the front brake pads of my 1969 TR6. In normal driving when the brakes haven't been applied for a while the disc pads rattle excessively. Note; the calipers have been rebuilt, I have the correct size retaining pins, anti squeal shims are fitted and plenty of copper grease has been applied in the correct places. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Can anyone help me identify anti rattle clips that I can fit to the front brake pads of my 1969 TR6. In normal driving when the brakes haven't been applied for a while the disc pads rattle excessively. Note; the calipers have been rebuilt, I have the correct size retaining pins, anti squeal shims are fitted and plenty of copper grease has been applied in the correct places. Hi There and welcome to the forum. I dont recall ever seeing anti-rattle clips for the standard TR6 front calipers. The most common problem with them is brake squeal which is usually cured with some rubber grease smeared on the back of the pad and on the anti-squeal shim but the rattling part should be taken care of by the hydraulics that keep the pad adjacent to the rotor. When you tap the brakes does the rattle stop ?. Perhaps a stone shield is loose and it is that which is rattling ? Stan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BrianC Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 If all else fails, maybe you could try one of these (from TR Enterprises): ANTI KNOCK-OFF KIT Simple spacer that fits between the front wheel bearings to prevent stub axle flex - the cause of the alarming pad knock off that TR’s can suffer from. TR2 - 6 TRE172K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobinTR6 Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 do the anti squeal shims as recommended and just check the front wheel bearings for excessive play before going further. Mine had worked loose cayusing all sorts of problems, once adjusted they all went away. Only takes a few mins. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 do the anti squeal shims as recommended and just check the front wheel bearings for excessive play before going further. Mine had worked loose cayusing all sorts of problems, once adjusted they all went away. Only takes a few mins. That is a good point and definitely worth checking the wheel bearing end float and see if they need snugging up. It just takes 5 mins to check both sides, a bit longer to adjust. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
badshead Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 (edited) I dont recall ever seeing anti-rattle clips for the standard TR6 front calipers. I think they are a standard fitting, certainly on later cars - mine has them. They will certainly help as will the stick on material (not sure what it's made of) fixed to the back of the pads in addition to the metal shims. Clips - Moss part nos 011369A (imperial calipers) or 511032 (metric) Edited March 11, 2010 by badshead Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John L Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 I have used a rattle kit from a Ford Capri, or was it an Escort rwd, certainly stops the pad rattle, a good motor factor should help you out with the kit number. John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 I think they are a standard fitting, certainly on later cars - mine has them. They will certainly help as will the stick on material (not sure what it's made of) fixed to the back of the pads in addition to the metal shims. Clips - Moss part nos 011369A (imperial calipers) or 511032 (metric) Bill, I dont believe any TR got anti-rattle clips as standard. We got anti-squeal shims that go between the pad and the piston and the TR7 got a pad retaining clip but to the best of my knowledge we did not get anti-rattle clips as were fitted to Fords, BMW's etc. The clips that you identify above are just to stop the pad retaining pins from falling out. Stan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
badshead Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Bill, I dont believe any TR got anti-rattle clips as standard. We got anti-squeal shims that go between the pad and the piston and the TR7 got a pad retaining clip but to the best of my knowledge we did not get anti-rattle clips as were fitted to Fords, BMW's etc. The clips that you identify above are just to stop the pad retaining pins from falling out. Stan Sorry, I gave you a bum steer on the Moss part number - I've now put my glasses on! Yes, you're right they are the clips that retain the pins. However, that's not what I meant. On my TR6 I've got 4 metal clips that bridge the pad on each side. They effectively clamp the shim and pad together and the clip is held under tension by the pins each end. Mine had them on when I got the car and I also got some included in a pad fitting kit (from Moss) when I replaced the calipers a year or so back. I can't see them illustrated in the current Moss catalogue, but if you've got sight of a Rimmers TR6 catalogue they're shown clearly in a colour picture on page 81, seemingly included in the pad fitting kit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nuts Posted March 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 (edited) Hi There and welcome to the forum. I dont recall ever seeing anti-rattle clips for the standard TR6 front calipers. The most common problem with them is brake squeal which is usually cured with some rubber grease smeared on the back of the pad and on the anti-squeal shim but the rattling part should be taken care of by the hydraulics that keep the pad adjacent to the rotor. When you tap the brakes does the rattle stop ?. Perhaps a stone shield is loose and it is that which is rattling ? Stan Stan, It definitely isn't a squeal problem and I have greased the shims etc. Yes the rattle does stop when I tap the brakes when travelling. I rebuilt the suspension recently and can confirm that the stone shields are not loose. Edited March 11, 2010 by Nuts Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nuts Posted March 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 If all else fails, maybe you could try one of these (from TR Enterprises): ANTI KNOCK-OFF KIT Simple spacer that fits between the front wheel bearings to prevent stub axle flex - the cause of the alarming pad knock off that TR’s can suffer from. TR2 - 6 TRE172K Brian, Thanks for the suggestion but I think this may be going off the subject a bit, I will however bear it in mind. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nuts Posted March 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 do the anti squeal shims as recommended and just check the front wheel bearings for excessive play before going further. Mine had worked loose cayusing all sorts of problems, once adjusted they all went away. Only takes a few mins. I fitted new front wheel bearings last winter (the pads rattled before they were fitted). During the cars winter lay up I have already tweaked the slotted bearing nuts, both only needed turning by one flat (if that) after 2,500 miles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nuts Posted March 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 I have used a rattle kit from a Ford Capri, or was it an Escort rwd, certainly stops the pad rattle, a good motor factor should help you out with the kit number. John John, This sounds like a promising lead, I'll definitely be following up your suggestion - Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nuts Posted March 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Sorry, I gave you a bum steer on the Moss part number - I've now put my glasses on! Yes, you're right they are the clips that retain the pins. However, that's not what I meant. On my TR6 I've got 4 metal clips that bridge the pad on each side. They effectively clamp the shim and pad together and the clip is held under tension by the pins each end. Mine had them on when I got the car and I also got some included in a pad fitting kit (from Moss) when I replaced the calipers a year or so back. I can't see them illustrated in the current Moss catalogue, but if you've got sight of a Rimmers TR6 catalogue they're shown clearly in a colour picture on page 81, seemingly included in the pad fitting kit. Bill, I can confirm the pin retaining clips are fitted !!! (Joke). Sounds like you do have fitted to your 6 what I am desperately trying to get my hands on so you've given me some hope they're out there somewhere. ..... Just looked at the picture on page 81 of a Rimmers catalogue and I can see them there . All I've got to do now is get my hands on them! Thanks very much for your help. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
88V8 Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 I have the correct size retaining pins and the correct size pads? If you have the imperial calipers that were original to the car, there are no 'wrong' size pads as the imperial calipers have the larger pins, but if you have metric calipers as a retrofit, then imperial pads would rattle around as the holes in the imperial pads are larger than the metric pins. Just an offbeat thought. Ivor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Markymark Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 (edited) Folks, take a look here for a photo and part number of the corresponding TRW part: Brake Pad Kit Worked for my metric (late) calipers. Regards, Mark Edited March 12, 2010 by Markymark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
badshead Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Folks, take a look here for a photo and part number of the corresponding TRW part: Brake Pad Kit Worked for my metric (late) calipers. Regards, Mark Yes that's it. I think the Moss pad fitting kit is identical. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nuts Posted March 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 (edited) Yes that's it. I think the Moss pad fitting kit is identical. Mark/Bill, I have original imperial calipers so the TWR kit won't fit as it is designed for smaller diameter pins. I have just phoned Moss (Bristol & Bradford) and they both said the clips were not part of their fitting kit!!! they offered no further help. Rimmers totally blanked me on the subject even though there is a picture of the flippin things on page 81 of their parts catalogue. Ferodo technical didn't have a clue and Apec Braking specialists suggested I try Ferodo. Every avenue I have tried I've drawn a blank but I won't give up. I think my best chance at the moment is to find some Ford Escort Mk II ones and try to make them fit, but so far I have not been able to locate any. I would welcome any more suggestions. Regards Nuts Edited March 12, 2010 by Nuts Quote Link to post Share on other sites
88V8 Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 ...the rattling part should be taken care of by the hydraulics that keep the pad adjacent to the rotor. When you tap the brakes does the rattle stop ?. If all else fails, maybe you could try an anti-knock-off kit I fitted new front wheel bearings last winter ....I have already tweaked the slotted bearing nuts, both only needed turning by one flat (if that) after 2,500 miles. OK, you are trying to suppress symptoms, but what about the cause. As Stan said, the hydraulics usually keep the pads against the disc, so why not yours... One possibility - the bearings have slop even though you've tightened them. I never had rattle but I did get knock-off (long pedal on first application) which I eventually cured with the Revington anti-knock-off kit. I expect the TRE kit is much the same. Stiffens the stub axle. Second option - perhaps your discs are warped? Ivor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
badshead Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 (edited) Mark/Bill, I have original imperial calipers so the TWR kit won't fit as it is designed for smaller diameter pins. I have just phoned Moss (Bristol & Bradford) and they both said the clips were not part of their fitting kit!!! they offered no further help. Rimmers totally blanked me on the subject even though there is a picture of the flippin things on page 81 of their parts catalogue. I'd be surprised if there's much or any difference in the clips between metric and imperial. Surely there's not enough difference in pin diameter to have any bearing on the fitting? Obviously shims would be a different matter but you could easily drill them out if they're too small. I'm 100% sure I got mine from Moss in Bristol - did they open the fitting kit and look or just rely on the screen/catalogue picture (as they often do)? Ask them to take a peep in part number GRPFK5 When I first got my TR4A I had a case of rattling pads, but there's no clips available for them. Instead I chucked the green stuff pads (rubbish) and replaced them with Mintex pads and the so called 'soft shim' (from Revington) which is basically a rubberised material that sticks to the back of the pad, plus anti-squeal shims - worked a treat! Edited March 12, 2010 by badshead Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nuts Posted March 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 I'd be surprised if there's much or any difference in the clips between metric and imperial. Surely there's not enough difference in pin diameter to have any bearing on the fitting? Obviously shims would be a different matter but you could easily drill them out if they're too small. I'm 100% sure I got mine from Moss in Bristol - did they open the fitting kit and look or just rely on the screen/catalogue picture (as they often do)? Ask them to take a peep in part number GRPFK5 When I first got my TR4A I had a case of rattling pads, but there's no clips available for them. Instead I chucked the green stuff pads (rubbish) and replaced them with Mintex pads and the so called 'soft shim' (from Revington) which is basically a rubberised material that sticks to the back of the pad, plus anti-squeal shims - worked a treat! Bill, Thanks for persevering with me, I will follow up your suggestions (specially part no. GRPFK5) and let you know how I get on. ... Nuts ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
heckler Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 Can anyone help me identify anti rattle clips that I can fit to the front brake pads of my 1969 TR6. In normal driving when the brakes haven't been applied for a while the disc pads rattle excessively. Note; the calipers have been rebuilt, I have the correct size retaining pins, anti squeal shims are fitted and plenty of copper grease has been applied in the correct places. Revington has the anti rattle clips in a kit suitable for a 69 car with 1/4 pins part no either grsp2750 or gbk1003 not sure which as invoice details not clear . Chris Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nuts Posted March 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 (edited) Revington has the anti rattle clips in a kit suitable for a 69 car with 1/4 pins part no either grsp2750 or gbk1003 not sure which as invoice details not clear . Chris Chris, This is weird because I phoned them on Friday and the guy who answered the phone said they did do/have any anti rattle clips although he didn't take the time to look in and boxes. I will phone again on Monday morning referencing the part nos you suggest. Thanks for the lead ... Nuts ... Edited March 13, 2010 by Nuts Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nuts Posted March 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 Bill, Thanks for persevering with me, I will follow up your suggestions (specially part no. GRPFK5) and let you know how I get on. ... Nuts ... Bill, I phoned Moss this morning and they haven't got any GRPFK5 kits and don't know when they'll be in. So I phoned Rimmers who said their equivalent of the GRPFK5 kit was split across two kits (one for pins and one for shims) the guy was very helpful this time went and looked in the boxes and came back to tell me that neither contained anti rattle clips. ARRGGGHHHH ... Nuts ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nuts Posted March 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 I have used a rattle kit from a Ford Capri, or was it an Escort rwd, certainly stops the pad rattle, a good motor factor should help you out with the kit number. John John, My friendly local Motor Factor let me search through their brake kit boxes today and I found a Ferodo kit for "All Escort Models". As it is it won't fit because it won't straddle the pins (the clips are about 1/4 inch short each end (front to back), 1/2 inch in total) but ... with some adjustment i.e. flatten all the curvy bits I may be able to get them to stretch just enough to fit. By the way these are the 'pressed out of sprung flat plate type' rather than the 'wire type'. I'll get some pictures on here asap if I can work out how to do it. Still not there yet but I won't give up. ... Nuts ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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