TR 2100 Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 Can anyone confirm the bodyshell numbering series used for the TR3B? I know the chassis numbers were TSF and TCF for the earlier cars with 1991cc engines and TCF for the later models with the 2138 TR4 engines, and the change in reference is easy to understand when you remember the TR3A 'TS' and TR4 'CT' chassis number prefixes. But what about the TR3B body? That didn't change, so no need to change the bodyshell reference. My question is - did ALL the TR3B bodyshells have a xxxx/TSF reference? Just curiosity, as I was looking at a 3B on eBay. Item number: 300325626461 Auction page gives the numbers as : Chassis No. TCF2779L, Body No. 3238/TSF, Eng. No.: TCF1670E (Engine number is a bit out of sync but these things did happen) There weren't 3238 3Bs made in either the TSF or TCF series individually, but there were that many made in total. I'm guessing that all 3Bs had a xxxx/TSF body shell number, numbered throughout both the TSF/TCF chassis number range. Can anyone confirm? AlanR Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vivdownunder Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 Hi Alan, Interesting as TCF2779L would be the 25th last sidescreen car made. The 3B's were numbered TSF1L to TSF530L, then TCF1L to TCF2804L, making 3334 cars in all including the chassis allocated for Italias. (The final 29 x TSF chassis with 1991cc engines). Obviously any cars fitted with overdrive would have been LO. I think the TCF numbers were started when the 2138cc engines were fitted so the registration authorities and dealers would could differentiate between models with smaller or larger engines. The F in the commission number stood for Forward Radiator Co where the 3B's were assembled, due to the S-T factory having swapped over to building TR4's. Given that the bodies were the same for both series, as you say, there's no reason why the body shell numbers would need to change from TSF. But I'll check tomorrow with the current owner of my 3B, TCF2604L (150th last sidescreen) and post the answer for that car. Regards, Viv Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sidescreen Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 Hi Alan, Send a mail to Gertjan van de Klashorst (gjvd.klashorst@skynet.be) and I'm almost shure he can give you any detail as far as possible. Regards, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vivdownunder Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 Alan, the brass body tag on TCF2604L (now LO) is 3206/TSF, so it would be pretty safe to conclude that all 3B's had bodies with TSF numbers. Regards, Viv. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR 2100 Posted June 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 Alan, the brass body tag on TCF2604L (now LO) is 3206/TSF, so it would be pretty safe to conclude that all 3B's had bodies with TSF numbers. Viv, Thanks for that - that's what I thought but I wanted to confirm. AlanR Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mack Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) Hello Alan, I looked at ma TR3B, and she has 1899/TSF with TCF1330L. So it seems to be confirmed that all TCF has TSF body shell numbers LG marcus Edited June 28, 2009 by mack Quote Link to post Share on other sites
julian c Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 Hi Alan, my '3B is TCF2708L and the body number is 3278/TSF. I assume that all '3Bs must have this numbering system. Julian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don H. Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 My TR3B, TSF 202L, has a body number plate painted original Signal Red, riveted in place, reading TSF/236 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Herald948 Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 My question is - did ALL the TR3B bodyshells have a xxxx/TSF reference?As a corollary to the original question, and after reading the replies, I'm wondering now if TSF commission number 3Bs had TSF/xxxx body numbers, while TCF commission number 3Bs had xxxx/TSF body numbers? The data offered thus far would seem to indicate that. (I used to have a TCF car with a xxxx/TSF body number.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
klashorst Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Can anyone confirm the bodyshell numbering series used for the TR3B? I know the chassis numbers were TSF and TCF for the earlier cars with 1991cc engines and TCF for the later models with the 2138 TR4 engines, and the change in reference is easy to understand when you remember the TR3A 'TS' and TR4 'CT' chassis number prefixes. But what about the TR3B body? That didn't change, so no need to change the bodyshell reference. My question is - did ALL the TR3B bodyshells have a xxxx/TSF reference? Just curiosity, as I was looking at a 3B on eBay. Item number: 300325626461 Auction page gives the numbers as : Chassis No. TCF2779L, Body No. 3238/TSF, Eng. No.: TCF1670E (Engine number is a bit out of sync but these things did happen) There weren't 3238 3Bs made in either the TSF or TCF series individually, but there were that many made in total. I'm guessing that all 3Bs had a xxxx/TSF body shell number, numbered throughout both the TSF/TCF chassis number range. Can anyone confirm? AlanR Hi Alan, Yes numbering of the bodies never stopped. All made by the FRC. All were TSF from 1/TSF to 3334/TSF, I guess but have never seen confirmation of the latter. As the bodies didn't change there was no need for a new numbering system. I agree the engine number is out of range, but as you say that can happen. TCF2797 has engine TCF2796-E, so very well matched. Regards, Klashorst Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin in CT Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Hi Alan, Yes numbering of the bodies never stopped. All made by the FRC. All were TSF from 1/TSF to 3334/TSF, I guess but have never seen confirmation of the latter. As the bodies didn't change there was no need for a new numbering system. I agree the engine number is out of range, but as you say that can happen. TCF2797 has engine TCF2796-E, so very well matched. Regards, Klashorst Hi Alan- FWIW, my B is TCF 1450L, with body plate 1949/TSF and block # TCF 1448 E. Best, Kevin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don H. Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Update to my earlier post... The body number on my TR3B, TSF 202L, is TSF/235, not 236 as I mistyped above. It has engine number TSF 52E, by the way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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