simonjrwinter Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 (edited) Ok, now I've got my new car, I'm starting to spend money on it (sound familiar?) My wife HATES the standard static belts (as do I) what are the options for inertia reel belts? Is it just something I should get from Moss/TRGB etc or are they pretty standard inertia reel offerings? Thanks, any advice appreciated. Simon Edited May 16, 2009 by simonjrwinter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
88V8 Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Securon SBS 514/30. Available from Moss. They have directable reels, so can be properly aligned with the transit bracket. I would post a pic but Photobucket is still broken, beginning to think they've gone bust. Ivor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobinTR6 Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Securon SBS 514/30. Available from Moss. They have directable reels, so can be properly aligned with the transit bracket.I would post a pic but Photobucket is still broken, beginning to think they've gone bust. Ivor Only other real choice is Quickfit (no not Kwikfit) in Stanmore Middx, all the doo is seat belts and specialise in classics, colour, webbing, fittings you name it they do it. I have fitted securon on my previous 6 no problem, but if you wanted different webbing, colours, fittings then Quickfit are a very good alternative Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Securon SBS 514/30. Available from Moss. They have directable reels, so can be properly aligned with the transit bracket.I would post a pic but Photobucket is still broken, beginning to think they've gone bust. Ivor I dont like the Securon belts because the ends dont fit into the seatbelt parkers but they are otherwise functional. One of the specialists over (Kai at wishbone classics) sells a kit he has made up from a couple of different suppliers but they work, they look right and they fit into the parkers. Stan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR6 Poor Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Well, you got a Rover engine, what about possibly some Rover seat belts, why make it a 3 some? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
88V8 Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 I dont like the Securon belts because the ends dont fit into the seatbelt parkers but they are otherwise functional. One of the specialists over (Kai at wishbone classics) sells a kit he has made up from a couple of different suppliers but they work, they look right and they fit into the parkers. Stan, why do your seat belts need to be kept warm? Here are my Securon. You can see how the reel has to be tilted to the left to align with the transit bracket. (The popper/turnbuckle annotations were for another thread, and the bentwork bracket on top of the transit is for a Breezebreaker) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 Stan, why do your seat belts need to be kept warm? I like the parkers because they stop the belts from get twisted and buried behind the seats. I find with the Miata seats especially if I get in the car without having the seat belt in my hand I will have to get out to find it.. The parkers are now part of the ritual.. switch off, remove key, unbuckle, insert end into parker.. Parked belt: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
simonjrwinter Posted May 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 I like the parkers because they stop the belts from get twisted and buried behind the seats. I find with the Miata seats especially if I get in the car without having the seat belt in my hand I will have to get out to find it.. The parkers are now part of the ritual.. switch off, remove key, unbuckle, insert end into parker.. Parked belt: Blimey, what would Lady Penelope say! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 > switch off, remove key, unbuckle, insert end into parker.. Blimey, what would Lady Penelope say! LOL ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
simonjrwinter Posted May 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 I like the parkers because they stop the belts from get twisted and buried behind the seats. I find with the Miata seats especially if I get in the car without having the seat belt in my hand I will have to get out to find it.. The parkers are now part of the ritual.. switch off, remove key, unbuckle, insert end into parker.. Parked belt: Blimey, what would Lady Penelope say! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 I like the parkers because they stop the belts from get twisted and buried behind the seats. I find with the Miata seats especially if I get in the car without having the seat belt in my hand I will have to get out to find it.. The parkers are now part of the ritual.. switch off, remove key, unbuckle, insert end into parker.. Parked belt: Hi Stan I like that so where do you get them? Regards Neil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 Hi StanI like that so where do you get them? Regards Neil These came from the factory on the 74.5 cars, perhaps the earlier ones also at least for the US models. They pop up on eBay from time to time. It is just a plastic receptacle with provision for two mounting screws into the inner sill. The slot for the belt is slightly sprung so it holds the belt but it is a narrow slot designed for the original retracting belts. Stan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
simonjrwinter Posted May 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 HMMMMM, ordered the belts from Moss. They came today and have no "transit brackets" just the adjustable reel and the fitting at the other end and the clip. Do/can they attach to the seat belt mounting point at the top of the wheelarch WITHOUT a transit bracket for them to feed through? Thanks Simon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foster461 Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 HMMMMM, ordered the belts from Moss.They came today and have no "transit brackets" just the adjustable reel and the fitting at the other end and the clip. Do/can they attach to the seat belt mounting point at the top of the wheelarch WITHOUT a transit bracket for them to feed through? Thanks Simon I cant imagine how that could work. You need a loop at the top of the wheel arch that can swivel, hold the belt off the wheel arch trim and feed the belt over your shoulder. That loop has to be fitted to the belt before it is assembled. Is there a variant that doesnt have the shoulder strap and still retracts, perhaps as an option for the lap only belt cars ? Stan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
simonjrwinter Posted May 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 (edited) The only way they can work (I think) is for the inertia reel itself to be fitted in the usual place (at the bottom of the wheelarch) and the belt to extend over the shoulder from there? Doesn't sound right to me though. Anyone else done this? As my car is a 1971 it apparently doesn't have these lower holes, so if I've got to drill them, maybe it would be better to position the reel towards the top of the inside vertical face of the wheelarch? (see picture) Simon Edited May 19, 2009 by simonjrwinter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Hi Simon They will work there ok be sure to allow for the roof frame when the top is down Regards Neil Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kiwifrog Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 And dont forget the spreader plates on the other side of the wheelarch to stop the bolt pulling through in case of an accident Alan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 The only way they can work (I think) is for the inertia reel itself to be fitted in the usual place (at the bottom of the wheelarch) and the belt to extend over the shoulder from there?Doesn't sound right to me though. Anyone else done this? As my car is a 1971 it apparently doesn't have these lower holes, so if I've got to drill them, maybe it would be better to position the reel towards the top of the inside vertical face of the wheelarch? (see picture) Simon They will work in that plane if they are the type of reels that can work at an angle. These usually have a small pointer that needs to be set facing vertically to work ok. They may be the type that normally would sit on top of rear parcel shelf so Would only work when fitted to the top bolt on the arch. No good with soft top but ok with a "Surrey" Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
88V8 Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 (edited) HMMMMM, ordered the belts from Moss.They came today and have no "transit brackets" just the adjustable reel and the fitting at the other end and the clip. Do/can they attach to the seat belt mounting point at the top of the wheelarch WITHOUT a transit bracket for them to feed through? I fell peeved about this. When I bought my car it had the standard fixed-reel inertias, and they didn't rewind well because the reel is not vertically in line with the transit. And I'd seen a few cars where the inertias obviously weren't re-reeling. So I ordered the adjustable reels, which work well, but.... they came with no transit bracket. So I had to unsew the B post fitting, thread on the transit, and resew them (I used whipping twine and as you can imagine I resewed every stitch). What peeves me is that I was subsequently told by someone at Moss that the kit was being amended to include a transit. Sorry, I should have flagged this up for you to check. Moss now tell me that for the TR6 they only do the fixed-reel belt with a transit. The belt you received, they supply for the MGB where the reel mounts on top of the wheel arch on a 90-degree angle bracket so a transit is not needed. Personally, I wouldn't fit the reels at the top of the wheelarch. The belt would travel across your neck rather than across your shoulder, and I suspect your wife would find it uncomfortable. Also, I have doubts about it re-reeling properly with a 90-degree twist in the belt. And it might break your neck in a crash, which would be a nuisance. I emailed Securon just now to ask if there is an adjustable option with transit. Looking on their website, I think 264 would be the one: see at the top of the list here. It has the correct layout, and the same webbing length as the 514. http://www.securon.co.uk/seatbelts_layouts.htm#514 The only thing that might then need altering in the car is the stalk mount on the floor, I think the 14"/32cm webbing might be a bit too long, depending where you have your seat, but that's just a matter of redrilling/thick washer in the floor. As regards the arch fixings, I believe they are present in all TR6 bodyshells? You may be able to see the bump of the captive nuts under the wheelarch, mine were entombed in Schutz. Another 'quick' job that isn't. Ivor Edited May 20, 2009 by 88V8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Davies Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Ivor - thanks for your above thoughts - they proved very useful. Looks like the Securon 264 is the way to go - sucessfully fittted one to my 6 this weekend. It's a '72 CP car and it had the correct (lower wheel arch) fixing points hidden away under a good bit of sound proofing. Retracts fully with no problem and as you point out it can be aligned perfectly. Quite an improvement over the static belts. I always liked the secure feel of the statics but they became a pain when quickly swapping over drivers etc... I suppose I could avoid this by not letting anyone else drive it... but then sometimes it's good to be able to have a few pints... Cheers, Ben Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cbxman Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 Manvers Triumph fitted 500/30 to my 4A. The retractor is just above the parcel shelf, the 'pillar loop' is attached to where the original static seats belts were fitted (on the curve of the wheel arch directly above the retractor. Works well, but the belt could be a little shorter as there is some slack when retracted. I fitted a hook to the surrey frame so I can hang the loose tongue up out of the way of the doors. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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