TR3A 50th - Stanpart NOS Stall

[Andrew Smith]

Hi fellow sidescreeners

 

Progress is being made towards the 'Stanpart' stall as part of the TR3A static display in Wye Hall. The stall is being put together by Alec Pringle and it will feature many NOS Stanpart spares which have remained hidden away in Alan Robinson's lockups, lofts and attics for many years without seeing the light of day, until now! - You may recall Alec has posted on this subject previously and they're finally for sale!

 

So, just to whet you appetite here is a sample of the NOS and good used items being offered for sale on Alec's stall:

 

Body panels galore (wings, doors, bootlid, bonnet etc etc), new and s/h, brand new still boxed sidescreens (black and white sets) and hoods, an aluminium windscreen frame/stanchions (believed ex-competition), original sections of new and used trim, chrome parts, instruments, mechanicals and much, much more!!

 

There may be a degree of selective selling of the rarer items (e.g. to proven historic sidescreen cars and concours rebuilds) as Alec considers that most repro parts are of a good enough quality to keep our TRs on the road, but the dwindling stock of Stanpart items belong on original cars.

 

That said, these parts are rare, many of them may never appear for sale again, so they will not be 'given away' for low prices - but by the same token they will not be at totally outrageous prices either!

 

Also featured on Alec's stall will be Alan Robinson's 1959 TR3A (original UK RHD and still 'live' with DVLA) ) restoration project which may well be the oldest 'ongoing' 3A restoration known to the Register. The restoration of this car was started in the very early 1970s when it received an extensive and expensive rebuild of the chassis, suspension and all running gear – the rolling chassis is sitting on original Triumph 48" painted wire wheels. The body tub was also rebuilt, as was the engine, gearbox, overdrive and diff, but the project has not been touched for some 30 years and old father time is starting to leave his mark.

 

 

 

So this car is now for sale and needs a good home and Alec has of all the paperwork, including its history file. Amazingly, this rolling chassis was the star of the TR Register's very first show stand at Alexander Palace, more than 30 years ago.

 

Alec has offered to display other 3A parts for sale if fellow members wish - not in competition with the London Group !!

 

Whether or not Alec brings any of Alan's 4/5/6 stuff as well depends on space - as in how big a van the hire company come up with, short or long wheelbase transit . . .

 

If you wish to email Alec for further information about either the TR3A restoration project or the Stanpart NOS, then please do so, but you may not get a lengthy response before Malvern as he's working on the NOS list of items – so please don't expect miracles.

 

Alec can be emailed on: tr8v8@hotmail.co.uk

[stuart]

Hi fellow sidescreeners

 

Progress is being made towards the 'Stanpart' stall as part of the TR3A static display in Wye Hall. The stall is being put together by Alec Pringle and it will feature many NOS Stanpart spares which have remained hidden away in Alan Robinson's lockups, lofts and attics for many years without seeing the light of day, until now! - You may recall Alec has posted on this subject previously and they're finally for sale!

 

So, just to whet you appetite here is a sample of the NOS and good used items being offered for sale on Alec's stall:

 

Body panels galore (wings, doors, bootlid, bonnet etc etc), new and s/h, brand new still boxed sidescreens (black and white sets) and hoods, an aluminium windscreen frame/stanchions (believed ex-competition), original sections of new and used trim, chrome parts, instruments, mechanicals and much, much more!!

 

There may be a degree of selective selling of the rarer items (e.g. to proven historic sidescreen cars and concours rebuilds) as Alec considers that most repro parts are of a good enough quality to keep our TRs on the road, but the dwindling stock of Stanpart items belong on original cars.

 

That said, these parts are rare, many of them may never appear for sale again, so they will not be 'given away' for low prices - but by the same token they will not be at totally outrageous prices either!

 

Also featured on Alec's stall will be Alan Robinson's 1959 TR3A (original UK RHD and still 'live' with DVLA) ) restoration project which may well be the oldest 'ongoing' 3A restoration known to the Register. The restoration of this car was started in the very early 1970s when it received an extensive and expensive rebuild of the chassis, suspension and all running gear – the rolling chassis is sitting on original Triumph 48" painted wire wheels. The body tub was also rebuilt, as was the engine, gearbox, overdrive and diff, but the project has not been touched for some 30 years and old father time is starting to leave his mark.

 

 

 

So this car is now for sale and needs a good home and Alec has of all the paperwork, including its history file. Amazingly, this rolling chassis was the star of the TR Register's very first show stand at Alexander Palace, more than 30 years ago.

 

Alec has offered to display other 3A parts for sale if fellow members wish - not in competition with the London Group !!

 

Whether or not Alec brings any of Alan's 4/5/6 stuff as well depends on space - as in how big a van the hire company come up with, short or long wheelbase transit . . .

 

If you wish to email Alec for further information about either the TR3A restoration project or the Stanpart NOS, then please do so, but you may not get a lengthy response before Malvern as he's working on the NOS list of items – so please don't expect miracles.

 

Alec can be emailed on: tr8v8@hotmail.co.uk

Blimey dont get killed in the rush!!!

That should draw a good crowd then Andrew.!

Stuart.

[Trevor S]

Andrew, I think the sort of van Alec needs is a securicor van in case he gets hi-jacked en route! I'll get there on Thursday now with my sleeping bag, and start the queue.

Trevor.

[stuart]

From what Alec has just posted I think my comment of "dont get killed in the rush" was quite appropriate!!

I look forward to the sight of a large amount of original parts anyway as it doesnt happen very often these days.(just wish I could afford some of them )

Stuart.

[Kiwifrog]

Alec,

 

Reminds me of the old BMC spares department in NZ when I was a teenager "Yes we do have the part you want in stock but its the last one so you cant have it " . I think you are correct in reserving the rarest parts for historically important cars. Can you take a picture of the stall before sales commebce and dont forget your best brown Arkwright overcoat

 

Alan

Edited July 5, 2007 by Kiwifrog

[Dave Herrod]

Not that I suspect he needs the support, but I entirely agree with Alec's position that these parts are rare and deserve to go on an appropriate vehicle. My 3A certainly wouldn't qualify, but I look forward to seeing the show!

 

Dave

[stuart]

So would we have to produce a heritage certificate to qualify?

Stuart.

[jonlar]

So would we have to produce a heritage certificate to qualify?

 

 

Hi Stuart, I don't see how a Heritage Certificate is going to help, all it shows is what the car was fitted with when it left the Factory.

[stuart]

Jon just me being facetious about qualifying, as in actually proof of ownership of a car that may qualify to fit the criterior of being rare/early/historically important enough to deserve these bits.

But then as Alec says their his bits to do as he wishes.

Reminds me of a sign in a shop I saw many years ago "Price depends on customer attitude!"

Stuart.

[Keith Stringer]

Jon just me being facetious about qualifying, as in actually proof of ownership of a car that may qualify to fit the criterior of being rare/early/historically important enough to deserve these bits.

But then as Alec says their his bits to do as he wishes.

Reminds me of a sign in a shop I saw many years ago "Price depends on customer attitude!"

Stuart.

I saw the same sign in a shop near me about a year ago. The only people with attitude were the ones serving behind the counter. The price quoted over the phone was cheaper than when I got there. Best of luck at the show. I regret having sold my 2 but circumstances at the time forced me to do so. I only wish those parts were around then.

Regards

[jonlar]

Jon just me being facetious about qualifying, as in actually proof of ownership of a car that may qualify to fit the criterior of being rare/early/historically important enough to deserve these bits.

But then as Alec says their his bits to do as he wishes.

Reminds me of a sign in a shop I saw many years ago "Price depends on customer attitude!"

Stuart.

 

 

I saw the same sign in a shop near me about a year ago. The only people with attitude were the ones serving behind the counter. The price quoted over the phone was cheaper than when I got there. Best of luck at the show. I regret having sold my 2 but circumstances at the time forced me to do so. I only wish those parts were around then.

Regards

 

Hi all, I can appreciate the logic of Stanpart parts going to assist in the re-build of historically important/very original vehicles - TS2 comes to mind - but it does open a whole can of worms, these parts are Alan's to do with as he wishes, and well done Alec for taking on this rather unenviable job - you're damned if you do sell to a particular owner and damned if you don't. I have to say I'm very glad these parts are going to be offered to Register members, and not just stuck on eBay, where they would doubtless fetch really silly money and be bought up by cheque book restorers rather than real enthusiasts, but deciding who deserves to be allowed to buy the parts is a very narrow line I wouldn't want to tread. Also, when it comes down to it, how original is any car that's been used - only when "consumables" have been replaced, but what actually defines re-build or restoration, surely either of these means a fair bit of original base parts ...................... and no, I'm not going down the "replica road"!

Edited July 6, 2007 by jonlar

[Trevor S]

I've got to agree with most of the above remarks. It is for Alec to decide where and to whom he sells the parts and I'm amazed that anyone would query that. I also agree that it is laudable that they are to be sold at the International rather than on Ebay, and in my mind I have an affinity with the general argument that historic/ very original cars are more deserving of original parts that become available than other cars, although inevitably there would be theoretical arguments over where the line is drawn.

Just a thought Alec. If there are any very rare parts that are unlikley to surface again and which may merit SDF backed re-manutacture would it be possible to defer sale of such an item to enable use as a template for remanufacture before selling at a later date? Entirely your call I appreciate & knowing your support for SDF and preserving the marque I'm sure you've already got this aspect covered.

 

Trevor.

[Rhodri]

Alec- If ten TR men want the one spare part, and the price is fixed, issue each with a cloakroom/raffle type ticket to be drawn at the end of the weekend ?

[TR 2100]

Alec- If ten TR men want the one spare part, and the price is fixed, issue each with a cloakroom/raffle type ticket to be drawn at the end of the weekend ?

I think a beer count would be appropriate,

but I'm not sure if Alec will still be fit to count!

[jonlar]

Alec- If ten TR men want the one spare part, and the price is fixed, issue each with a cloakroom/raffle type ticket to be drawn at the end of the weekend ?

 

That's a great suggestion Rhodri.

Edited July 6, 2007 by jonlar

[PILKIE]

I dont envy you the task of deciding who buys items and at what price!! it will be hard to not say "I CAN GET MORE ON EBAY FOR IT" setting a price is hard enough at an autojumble of s/h TR parts, you always wish you had said more for a part when it flies off the stall!!! I suppose if a part is available, "repro", a n.o.s stanpart part would have to be worth almost or more than double,depending on its rarity!!

Otherwise you will have to run your stall Auction house style,after vetting potential bidders and issuing them with a bidder number to stop unwanted buyers slipping the net!!

Being a TR6 and Rover V8 owner,I have got hold of stanpart original nos stuff,and almost mint s/h, in preference to the new repro stuff almost regardless of cost. ie, I got an original MINT!!!! TR6 'H' frame for £70 incl p/p from a TR dealer!! When it costs £80+ for a recover that dont look right!!! thats a bargain!!! I would of gladly of paid £100 for it!!!

see you there

Edited July 7, 2007 by PILKIE

[Andrew Smith]

Hi folks

 

Having previously seen some of the vast quantities of Alan's NOS and excellent s/h parts in Alec's lock-up, lofts and attics, viewed the 3A restoration project and now having just seen the completed list of spares (well done to Diane, a monster of a job!) all I can say is there is likely to be something for everyone!

 

Once this stuff is shifted I reckon Mere will gain a few inches above sea level!

 

Cheers

Andrew

[jean]

Just heard this weekend at the TR Club Holland summer meeting that " TS3 " is on it's way to Holland for restauration, does it qualify for any Stanpart panels Was recently purchased by 2 friends of mine, yes Bill Piggott knows, he was also there

[stuart]

Fair enough Alec as rare parts disappearing into the wild blue yonder of nowheresville probably never to be seen again doesnt help anybody. There use as patterns will help far more people and good on Alan for foregoing part of what I assume is his retirement fund to help out the rest of us.

Stuart.

[ianc]

As Alec is exceedingly busy (classic understatement!), I'll let all interested parties know that, with Alan's agreement and encouragement, the Spares Development Fund is being given the opportunity to acquire items which MUST be preserved for posterity in order that it may be possible to reproduce such items in the future. To this end, a couple of very knowledgeable fellows will be working with Alec to identify such items and set them aside. What then remains will be transported by Alec to the International for sale as he dictates (i.e. he is acting as Alan's agent in such sales, and he can decide whether or not he thinks your pet project worthy of a particular item).

I am sure all reasonable people will see the sense of this arrangement, which is very much in pursuit of the Register's policy of preserving the marque.

I must express, on behalf of the SDF, gratitude to Alec, Alan, Diane Pringle & Mike Ellis (who undertook the cataloguing) and a number of other worthies for their efforts in making this possible.

I look forward to seeing a great many of you in a week's time. It might be wise to make a wax model of an MG-B and stick pins in it, or set light to it, to appease the gods and ensure fine weather for our festival!

Ian Cornish

[david ferry]

Great stuff, we found quite a number of items that even Pete hasn't seen new for decades. So, of course, more than a few of these items have been collared to form the nucleus of the SDF original parts archive. A whole new dimension in terms of preserving the marque TR, supplementing the efforts that specialists like Neil Revington in particular, Pete Buckles, Pete Cox have been making for many years. Several nos components were discovered that will act as better models when existing tools run to the end of their existing lives. So we've found things that will have positive impact within a very few months, others that will show results next year and in 2009, some that won't become relevant until into the next decade. Planning for the future, preserving the marque TR.

 

Alec,

 

Good news then.............for all of us!

 

Regards

 

David

[TR 2100]

The mention of PB might well raise an eyebrow or two ? We all think of Buckles as the Big Boss of Moss, and it's all too easy to forget that he's TR Register member no 008. Today he was back in arch-anorak mode, quoting the part number of all but a couple of items from memory (and we're talking hundreds of parts). 37 years of dealing TR parts, and the bloke can still leap up and down with uncontrolled glee at the discovery of a set of sidescreen stoneguards, new old stock and never unwrapped since they left the factory c1959. They went straight into the boot of the Bentley, and before Malvern they'll be with the firm who are going to produce 'as new original' reproductions. Along with TR3 grille reveal mouldings (if that's the right description) !! PB and I both have major family issues at the moment, and if this had been 'just business' he'd have canned the meeting. But it's the TR Register and the SDF, so he wasn't missing an unrepeatable opportunity. Thanks, Pete . . .

 

Great stuff, we found quite a number of items that even Pete hasn't seen new for decades. So, of course, more than a few of these items have been collared to form the nucleus of the SDF original parts archive. A whole new dimension in terms of preserving the marque TR, supplementing the efforts that specialists like Neil Revington in particular, Pete Buckles, Pete Cox have been making for many years. Several nos components were discovered that will act as better models when existing tools run to the end of their existing lives. So we've found things that will have positive impact within a very few months, others that will show results next year and in 2009, some that won't become relevant until into the next decade. Planning for the future, preserving the marque TR.

 

Couldn't agree more. Thanks to all for your efforts.

I knew some of the spares were rare, but I didn't expect PB to be wetting his knickers over them.

The rarest part of all, an original aeroscreen, is already gracing TS2.

 

PB's contribution to the TR marque, and the classic car scene as a whole, is hugely underestimated,

simply because he is involved with the business side.

 

PB hasn't made a fortune out of selling spares to TR owners, and even if he had, I would still say a

big thank you because his involvement has been to the benefit to thousands of TR owners worldwide,

keeping TRs on the road, allowing enthusiasts to rebuild their TRs and enjoy their hobby.

Not to mention the far higher market value of the TR marque.

 

Alec, if I am as much older than you as you say, then PB and have have been mates since you

were in nappies!

 

Just in case there is any doubt, I am certainly not deserting the TR scene. I had collected so many

parts (and cars) over the years, I had to rationalise. I made the decision to go with the TR4s that

I have, disposing of all my TR3 stuff to make a contribution to my TR4 restoration.

You don't get rid of me that easily!

 

Hope all goes well at Malvern, and sincere thanks to Alec, family and friends for manning the stall.

 

AlanR

[david ferry]

Alan,

 

A massive 'Thank-you' must also go to you for releasing these parts for the benefit of ultimately all of us.

 

Thanks to all concerned.

 

Regards

 

David

[david ferry]

Forgot to mention that in an email from Alec over the weekend, even though he was up to his eyes in TR stuff, family stuff and travelling the country, all mixed in with a bit of beer drinking (we are talking about Alec!) and posting on the Forum, he advised that he has been advised that as he looks a little like Jesus (well to someone somewhere!), he needs to brush up on his skills of multiplying loaves and fishes, applying these skills to the pile of Stanpart spares. so that everyone is satisfied.

 

I will leave it to Alec to add what his reply was to that comment. It was a good one, involving Salami, a Baguette and a bloke called Roger...........

 

I for one cannot wait for a number of reasons, getting the odd bit I need and also watching it all develop into a bit of sport.....Good fun for all hopefully.

 

Regards

 

Good luck on Saturday to Alec and his team, along with all of the hopeful shoppers.

 

David Ferry

[Bald Rick]

Hi Folks

 

As I had to take a couple of red plastic wheelie bins down to Alec today for Andrew Smith, I had a chance to look at a few of the parts that will be going to Malvern.

 

Fortunately I'm not a TR3a man myself (can't afford one) or I'd be going down with a wallet full of cash. Alec and especially Diane have put a lot of work into sorting, listing and packing up this treasure trove. There is some really amazing stuff. It's good too see it going to the SDF and Malvern rather than ending up on eBay!

 

Not sure what was in the wheelie bins, maybe it's Andrews personal supply of beer

 

Tony