Static Timing Set Up

[RogerH]

Hi Folks,

In the olden days when cars had contact breakers in the dizzy to make the spark plugs flash and crackle

one could use a light bulb to see when the contacts opened in order to set the static timing.

 

In these modern times one has an electronic module that has the advantage of no moving parts. It is a miracle of science.

 

My Lumenition magnetronic module has two fancy wires - Red and Black - and a body connection to earth.

What would be the equivalent to the above to set the static timing.?

 

Roger

 

PS - don't panic. The wonders of the internet have come to my rescue

https://www.gsparkplug.com/media/wysiwyg/technical-information/lumenition/mtk003_instructions_v1-3.pdf

Edited January 17, 2018 by RogerH

[Hamish]

Roger

So good you are answering your own questions within 20 mins ?!?!??????????

[Steves_TR6]

Hi Roger

 

Cant see why a lamp wouldnt still work?

 

The Magnetronic still earths the coil to charge it and ‘lets go’ to discharge so a lamp connected to the wire that goes to the - on the coil and to 12 v should light when the coil is charging and go out at the equivalent of points opening ?

 

I’d try that, without the coil connected to 12 v so you dont boil it

 

Steve

[RogerH]

Hi Hamish,

not too clever, I puzzled over it today with no success.

Immediately after posting the question I had the idea to google it and up it came. It is part of the Lumention paperwork.

 

I can now check it out properly tomorrow

 

Roger

[pfenlon]

Roger, if it isn't broke etc etc, I do realise that I am in a dying breed of "simples means it can be fixed every where"

 

the need to complicate things has been a bone of contention throughout my working life in the mobile crane industry.

 

The "Designers and some engineers" never leave their desks, and on paper and the test bed their ego trips are manifold.

 

the new hydraulic/ electric designs are fantastic, no more 24v systems, we have CAN systems using much lower voltages, and the laptop can see all the problems and its all programmable.

 

But the poor bugger in Mauritania, or Namibia, is stuffed when its so humid, green stuff is to be seen growing out of the plug connections striving to transfer 5 volts, to raise the hook block.

 

Much of the world isn't living in European comfort.

 

I will never forget on one of my first African trips, seeing an advert for Raleigh bicycles, telling the population that if they work very hard in life they too could one day own such a machine.

 

Happy days, but not for all sadly.

[RogerH]

Hi Pete,

I am an ardent fan of KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) but every now and then one has to take the plunge and go a step further.

 

The lumenition module can't be any simplererer; it has run for 150,000 miles without adjustment.

However over the last couple of weeks I have fitted a Saturn 5 rocket cam and whilst I was timing it the 'Super deluxe mucho spondoolicks' timing light conked out.

 

Setting the static timing would have sorted things out. I didn't want take liberties with the module so asked the question.

Annoyingly it was only then that my grey cell turned on and searched Google.

 

The problem with the Raleigh bicycle is that it has wheels - possibly the first great invention. Now look where we are.

 

Roger

[Lebro]

Bring your timing light along to next meeting, & I'll see what I can do !

 

Bob.

[pfenlon]

Hi Pete,

I am an ardent fan of KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) but every now and then one has to take the plunge and go a step further.

 

The lumenition module can't be any simplererer; it has run for 150,000 miles without adjustment.

However over the last couple of weeks I have fitted a Saturn 5 rocket cam and whilst I was timing it the 'Super deluxe mucho spondoolicks' timing light conked out.

 

Setting the static timing would have sorted things out. I didn't want take liberties with the module so asked the question.

Annoyingly it was only then that my grey cell turned on and searched Google.

 

The problem with the Raleigh bicycle is that it has wheels - possibly the first great invention. Now look where we are.

 

Roger

I also have let standards slip towards the black unknown, I made a very basic wiring error and when I noticed the smoke it was too late, my points were fried.

 

the dizzy in the red tomato is a dual point unit, and an absolute pig to get at, so I fitted a petronix? unit which did away with the points, to supplement the kit they advise you to go for their Flamethrower Coil.

 

which I did, the system has been OK so far, although I haven't actually been very far.

 

I still believe that at £50 the coil was not really necessary and a marketing winner for them.

[ChrisR-4A]

Hi Roger, assuming you can get the timing close enough to start the bugger then the final setting is really determined by what the engine decides it needs with the compression and fuel it has.

 

Let me explain what I'm trying to say by explaining how I do mine, fitted with magnetronic unit and Lucas Sports coil.

With engine running and warm and tick over about 1000 rpm, and dist clamp loose enough to turn dist by hand; advance dist until tickover is at its max and then turn back about 200 rpm. Drive car up nearest hill at about 30 mph in 3rd and it will probably pink. Back off Vernier adjustment a few clicks and try hill again, repeat until car climbs hill without pinking at about 1800 rpm.

Job done.

☺ Leaving the building now.

Chris

PS. Don't forget to tighten dist clamp before test run!

Edited January 18, 2018 by potts4a

[RogerH]

Hi Chris,

that sounds sensible. I'm out this week-end so will be on the case on Monday.

 

I had another brainwave this morning. The lumpy running is at tickover - Perhaps balance the air intacts intakes !!!

 

Roger

PS - at least the intakes were intact

Edited January 18, 2018 by RogerH

[peejay4A]

Gotta watch those air intacts.

[Lebro]

Here's the plan of attack

 

Looks like a nail to me

 

No, it's a tack

 

 

(Goon show)

[RogerH]

I have a feeling that your are mocking me !!

 

Roger

 

PS - and for good reason

Edited January 18, 2018 by RogerH