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Hi

 

My electric fan is about to give up, and before I get a new one, I wonder if there could be a better alternative.

 

The fans on the market are so big that they block air from reaching the radiator. Could it not be replaced by some sort of jet of air forced onto the radiator from, say, a couple of hoses (via a compressor?...). In this day and age, I am sure that a device could be made to force air through those hoses leaving the radiator free to get all the air it should get.

 

Camilo

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You seem to be looking for authenticity, so why not just switch the mechanical fan to a more efficient one (more blades). I think I've read about a "tropical" type. And make sure that all the air from the grill is channelled through the radiator.

Thinking about it, has anyone tried to make a duct around the mechanical fan making it suck more efficient? On the other hand, maybe it won't be so efficient due to that you will have to give clearance for the movement of the engine?

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FWIW, almost all cooling (or heating) solutions with radiators use fans or natural draught. I can't remember ever seen solutions more efficient and simple as fans. What you are suggesting just means putting the fan/blower elsewhere, and the hoses blowing air would hinder the natural flow over the radiator just as much as an electric fan does.

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FWIW, almost all cooling (or heating) solutions with radiators use fans or natural draught. I can't remember ever seen solutions more efficient and simple as fans. What you are suggesting just means putting the fan/blower elsewhere, and the hoses blowing air would hinder the natural flow over the radiator just as much as an electric fan does.

 

Depends where the hoses were. Could be in the corners away from the natural flow. They would simply add more flow.

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The words sledgehammer and nut spring to mind. Why not put the electric fan behind the radiator where it won't impede flow and will suck the air through, works for many of us.

 

If it is overheating with the ducting and a fan there may be an underlying problem.

 

 

 

The underlying problem is known and referred to in another thread. The mixture has been leaned to perfection... which has resulted in the car warming up more than it should. Easy siolution, of course: enrich the mixture.

 

But this thread is not about solving a problem but about a replacement for my electric fan.

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Replacing the silly 4 blade propeller with a better mechanical fan would go a long way towards improving the cooling.

 

Here's the Hurricane fan that Mark Macy sells, a TR6 fan can also be adapted for the TR3

 

 

 

 

Hi

 

As I mentioned above, this thread was not about my car in particular. I do have a six-blade fan, should I decide to install it. The thread was just to find out if anyone knows/ever thought of replacing the electric fans with something different that increased air flow from the front without being in the way (which reduces air flow when not in operation).

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Replacing the silly 4 blade propeller with a better mechanical fan would go a long way towards improving the cooling.

 

Here's the Hurricane fan that Mark Macy sells, a TR6 fan can also be adapted for the TR3

 

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That image looks pretty familiar, Stan!

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The old adage of "Keep It Simple Stupid" springs to mind . . . . .

 

Adding more fans, compressors, whatever, to provide supplementary airflow requires power to drive them, and that power is essentially removed from the engine's output. Net gain of negative . . . .

 

Every possible variation on the theme has been tried and tested in motor sport over the years . . . . and found wanting.

 

There should not be an issue with a TR running either a more efficient mechanically driven engine fan, or utilising an electric fan mounted forward or aft of the radiator . . . . . if there is an issue then the fault lies elsewhere in the cooling system, or in the engine tuning.

 

Cheers

 

Alec

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I'd say "mostly" true, Alec. Certainly my engine with upgrades to 87 mm pistons and liners and only a few thousand miles since rebuilding is trying to run hotter than a well-bedded, smaller bore engine.

 

But there's also a component of stop-and-go driving in 30+ °C temperatures that Standard-Triumph probably weren't planning for in the 1950s.

 

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If one wishes to stick to something near original, surely a mechanical fan with viscous coupling is the answer - supposing that one can find one that will fit in the space available. The speed of such a fan is not directly related to engine speed, as the viscous coupling allows the engine to spin faster than the fan at higher engine speeds, hence consuming less power.

Ian Cornish

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Hi Camilo ~

 

Our friend Alec is bang on the money. My 3A runs on an electric fan mounted in front of the rad. coupled with an alloy rad. ducting

which I fabricated myself.

 

As Alec quite rightly says "Keep it Simple Stupid"!!

 

Camilo ~ why don't you just drive and enjoy the TR??

 

Tom.

 

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Hi Tom

 

This thread has gone totally wild.

 

I am very happy with my car, and have what it takes to tackle eventual overheating problems. The thread is NOT about my car. It was a generic question asking if anyone knew of an alternative that did NOT involve a fan, so that the front of the radiator remained totally open. Any crazy ideas would be interesting.

 

PS - Maybe I implied that this was needed to replace my failing fan. Apologies. The thinking is that the electrical fan is not original equipment, but unfortunately needed. It would be nice to substitute it for something that does not show in front of the radiator; something simpler that could be hidden like the protrusion of a couple of hoses. But this is only a mental exercise.

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If you put a dash light in the electric fan circuit you find that the fan is not required when you are moving, air flow does the job.

That saves a bit of power, compared to the always thrashing mechanical one.

Fan comes on when you are stopped or making the donk work hard going up a long, lovely, winding hill.

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TR3A cooling

 

They all need a fan, & they all need ducting in the front apron to channel the air into the radiator.

An old partially clogged radiator will cause overheating, ditto a water pump with too large a gap between impellor & rear plate.

There is NO practical alternative to a cooling fan.

Running a lean mixture is bad for the engine, & will not make a huge difference to temperature or fuel consumption.

Tune the carbs so the car runs nicely, needing choke to start from cold, but then not after ½ a mile or so.

 

I have got up to 42 MPG with carbs tuned this way (& I run a Revotech fan on the engine side of the rad.)

 

Coat on, Bob.

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My electric fan was initially fitted behind the radiator but it would have been impossible to remove it without having to dismantle

the whole front end. When I was rebuilding the car I decided to fit the fan in front of the radiator. I modified the front apron

so that the upper half could be removed for easy access to the fan.

 

Tom.

 

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What a nice idea, why didn't I know about this 4 months ago :(

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