Colour question TR6

[Menno van Rij]

Earlier today I met a nice man with a TR6. He's having the car restored at the shop who did my 3A. The guy is the first owner and he's still totally smitten by his TR. We discussed all sorts of things and one was the distinct black rear of the TR6. He was afraid that the colour he would choose would be too blackboard-ish. He was used to the faded black but wants to do it right again.

 

In short: what's the correct colour / formula for the black, (non gloss?) rear of the TR6?

 

Menno

Edited April 12, 2017 by Menno van Rij

[TR NIALL]

Satin Black I think.

[bluebob]

 

I second that

bluebob

[rhine]

Menno - Some links here that may help

 

http://www.6-pack.org/j15/index.php/galleries

 

and the Moss catalog @ http://www.moss-europe.co.uk/media/pdf/TR5001.pdf- page 327 or there abouts.

 

Richard

[pfenlon]

My old TR6 is clearly Matt black after years in CA in the USA.

 

But many satins appear too glossy, so a matting agent is sometimes applied to the paint.

 

This doesn't give a lasting look, trying to paint Matt black and keeping it clear of fingerprints is Impossible.

 

The good thing is that the rear of the car doesn't usually get "Prints" on it, unless the battery gets flat and your pals have to push start the dog.

[Guest]

Thanks guys!

 

The old rear (that was damaged) was also matt black, sort of colour you'd find on old school blackboards. I am under the impression that the matt finish is the result of aging and that satin is more like the original colour. Since there was only one 'black' surely somewhere out there, there's a formula of the old version - transferable to modern day paint.

If not, satin paint will do - like the consensus here on the forum suggests.

 

Menno

[TR NIALL]

Menno,Satin Black in a Rattle Can is available from Halfords if you have a Store local.

[DaveR]

Satin Black. Also used on the 1850 Dolomite when introduced in 1972.

[Waldi]

You can buy 2-pack semi professional rattle cans too, with a better and longer lasting result.

The 2nd component is inside the cannister, and can be mixed prior to use by pushing in a valve in the bottom.

I think this color can also be used for the grille and windscreen frame (on early TR6-es).

Any comments on this?

[Denis]

The Satin Black on mine hasn't faded at all since it was last painted back in 1988!

 

If like me you are fussy about originality it's important that the painters take note of how the radius are masked off in a nice curve, and that the corners inside the boot (trunk) lid are correct!

 

The May issue of CLASSIC & SPORTS CARS front page has a Yellow TR6 in the centre for their '1970's BEST BUYS' feature...that car commits my greatest bug bear...the painter hasn't sprayed Satin black behind the grill, so all that horrid yellow shows through the grill, which can't be cleaned, that's why it should be BLACK! Grrrrrrr!

[Guest ntc]

It was not satin black on early cars.

[Andrew Smith]

The rear panel was always matt black, but many owners sprayed it satin as they liked to polish something - plus overtime many original matt black panels turned satiny due to being polished up.

 

Edit: the panel behind the grille was also matt black and not satin and painted on with a brush.

 

 

Cheers

Andrew

Edited April 13, 2017 by Andrew Smith

[Guest ntc]

No it was not Derick has pics showing the same that I have.

[Andrew Smith]

No it was not Derick has pics showing the same that I have.

 

No it wasn't what?

[Guest ntc]

Black at the back and behind the grill the tinterweb will show you early production

[pfenlon]

Black at the back and behind the grill the tinterweb will show you early production

do you want to borrow Menno's spade Neil.

[Case]

Quote -

Since there was only one 'black' surely somewhere out there, there's a formula of the old version - transferable to modern day paint.

FWIW, Standard-Triumph Factory recommendation to Triumph Dealers for respray or touch-up of the TR6 rear boot panel is to use I.C.I Matt Black air drying paint reference 062/4523 and thinners 851/222.

Being "air drying" this would be an acrylic enamel so what the modern comparable single-stage urethane paint in Matt Black would be your local auto body paint specialist can best cross-reference based on the "classic" 062/4523 manufacturer paint code.

Here is a link to TCP Global for an example match for AU-ACRYLIC URETHANE "A" COLOR: http://www.autocolorlibrary.com/

Keep 'em on the road! Cheers!

Edited April 13, 2017 by Case

[Case]

BTW, here is the original J. Bruce McWilliams paint guide for the kammback matt black appliqué for proper factory originality repaint.

 

Hope this info helps. Cheers!

 

[Andrew Smith]

If like me you are fussy about originality it's important that the painters take note of how the radius are masked off in a nice curve, and that the corners inside the boot (trunk) lid are correct!

 

Menno,

 

Denis is right and if the original look is what your friend is seeking to achieve then he needs to ensure the rear 'cut-ins' on the inner wings are correct, so many restorers get this wrong and mask diagonally.

 

Noting the 'nice curve' radius masking Denis refers to in fact wasn't that carefully masked at the factory, but it depends how far into originality your friend wants to go..................

 

Edit: Just seen Case's diagram above, spot on!

 

 

 

This photo was taken beore it was cleaned!!

 

Cheers

Andrew

Edited April 14, 2017 by Andrew Smith

[alan57]

Agree entirely with you, re matt or satin, Andrew - 2 x unrestored in my present care - both matt! ( but confess in almost 40 years of ownership I have not checked the angle of the masking - was mainly careless in the paint shop then anyway?)

Edited April 14, 2017 by alan57

[Denis]

It was not satin black on early cars.

Neil, you have awoken in my old brain a 'dim' and early memory...when I bought CP26309 a UK R/H drive Pi August 69 car in July 1972, with 16,818miles on the clock, still on it's original tyres (which I asked to be replaced in the deal) apart from a silly 13 inch steering wheel (original 15" satin black spoked s/wheel in the Boot) it was like new....and YES it had a Matt Black Tail! I recall it was annoying when polish overlapped it it made unsightly stains, so I repainted it satin black from a can. Well, 1972 was a long time ago to remember!

[Denis]

BTW, here is the original J. Bruce McWilliams paint guide for the kammback matt black appliqué for proper factory originality repaint.

 

Hope this info helps. Cheers!

 

TR6 Rear Boot Paint Guide.jpg

 

Case, have you a painters guide diagram for the grill insert black ?

[Case]

 

Case, have you a painters guide diagram for the grill insert black ?

 

Hi Denis,

 

Have never run across or heard mention of a paint guide for the front valance. TR6 owner discussions have primarily focused on factory matching the respray of the rear valance kammback.

 

Basically to get the grill to match early TR6 brochure and PR colour photos, on my six I masked off the horizontal base apron and top of the front valance as well as both front wing sides and spray painted black the vertical body colour grill attachment framing to achieve the clean and mean, deep grill look.

 

A few early colour dealer brochure and car show body/grill contrast example photos:

 

 

Black out all the body colour that appears behind the grill frame as depicted here:

 

 

A photo of Jay Leno's restored 1970 TR6 which shows an immaculate grill to emulate:

 

 

Hope this provides a helpful guide in lieu of a factory diagram for you. Cheers!

[Andrew Smith]

Here you go Denis, although I doubt you will want to replicate the runs from the Speke paintbrushes...........

 

 

 

Cheers

Andrew

[foster461]

Here you go Denis, although I doubt you will want to replicate the runs from the Speke paintbrushes...........

 

 

Cheers

Andrew

 

That is interesting Andrew. I always assumed that the side bit of the curved headlamp housing was also hand brushed black.

 

Stan