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Top of gearbox - isolating switches - wiring & adjustment.

 

Bob.

 

I'll get the electrician to have a look at it. What sort of adjustment can you do there? On 3rd and 4th I usually get a jerk when I engage overdrive

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Hi Qim,

have got a good wiring diagram http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr24a.pdf

 

Start at the beginning.

With the GB in 4th gear and ignition ON, does the dashboard switch make the relay click.

 

If YES, does the relay supply 12V to the solenoid

If NO, are the inhibit switches functioning one or the other should be shorted out.

 

If you are getting 12V to the solenoid is the GB earthed.

Apply a separate 12V and earth to the solenoid.

 

Roger

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I'll get the electrician to have a look at it. What sort of adjustment can you do there? On 3rd and 4th I usually get a jerk when I engage overdrive

Hi Qim,

you do not really want the OD/GB to jerk when engaging OD this can cause things to break.

Try to match the engine revs for a smooth engagement. Comin gout of OD is important to do it smoothly.

 

Roger

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Try to match the engine revs for a smooth engagement.

 

Hi Roger

 

What do you mean by that? Controlling revs before engaging O/D, or adjusting the "valve" on top of the gearbox

 

Thank you for the wiring diagram. In fact, I have been looking for a thread that included a picture of the top of the gearbox marking where 2nd, 3rd, and 4th valves were positioned, but can't find it!

 

Help...

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Qim - you may not have a switch for second gear o/d?

 

Found this picture on line, may help - link

 

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Hi Rod

 

I do! I have THREE of those valves; I saw them.

 

Ok I found the picture (Roger's), which is attached. I also found another diagram to go along with Roger's. Will it confuse the electrician? is it for a 3A?

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I was going to say that one of those switches is for the reversing light, then saw you had added a picture.

As Lebro above says, it is probably the switch that is faulty, or a poor/faulty connection to it, or its adjustment that is preventing the ball inside dropping to make contact.

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It looks like that the reason the 2nd is not working is becuase there is no wire coming out of the valve for the 2nd gear....

 

Although I am sure that my electrician can work out the diagrams, could you tell me basically what he has to do?

 

1- put a wire to the 2nd gear valve

 

2- ???

 

3- ???

 

where does the wire go from the 2nd gear valve?

 

Thanks

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Top of gearbox - isolating switches - wiring & adjustment.

 

Bob.

 

qim -

 

Really cannot see it being anything else.

 

The isolator switches in the gearbox top cover are no more than

switches to earth. Thus, the overdrive cannot engage unless 2nd,

3rd or 4th gears are selected.

 

Selecting overdrive in 1st puts too much torque through the gearbox.

Selecting overdrive in reverse will k-nacker the gearbox

 

Adjustment of the switches is height only - adjusted by removal of

fibre waskers under the isolator switch.

 

As it's hassle removing the tyrim and gearbox cover, you can check

if it's the 2nd gear isolator switch by taking the earth from the overdrive

switch directly to earth.

It should now operate in ALL gears - thus you can check that it will

operate in 2nd - but make very very sure you don't drive it like that.

It's easy to forget overdrive is engaged and select reverse!

Expensive problem.

 

AlanR

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Hi Qim,

this is important - the switch marked reverse is to power the reversing lights upon gear selection.

 

It has nothing to do with OverDrive in reverse gear.

 

Two switches allow OD - in 2nd (one switch) & 3rd/4th (another switch does both)

 

The switches are simply in parallel - either switch will allow overdrive to energise.

 

As for matching the engine revs.

When travelling at 60KPH in 4th OD - the engine revs will be 2500 for example.

If you disengage OD the road wheels will try to increase the engine revs (because it should be 3000 without OD (example) and that causes a sudden bang in the OD - NOT good.

So, when disengaging OD increase the engine revs with the throttle so that the engine, if anything, will be revving slightly higher than the road speed requires.

It is worse disengaging OD than engaging OD but higher revs is always better.

 

You could also depress the clutch as if changing gear.

 

Roger

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Hi Qim,

 

I notice that you refer to the switches on the top of the 'box as valves - they are NOT valves, but simple plunger type switches, which operate on the selector rods to allow the o/d to work - as per Roger's description.

 

Mike

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So, when disengaging OD increase the engine revs with the throttle so that the engine, if anything, will be revving slightly higher than the road speed requires.

 

 

Hi Roger

 

Well, that's a problem, as I tend to disengage the OD to help me brake... and been doing that for 40 years...

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You will learn how to allow the overdrive to engage and disengage relatively smoothly by adjusting the throttle as you operate the overdrive switch. I wouldn't worry about it. Personally I pay more attention to pointing the car in the right direction than agonising over how smoothly the overdrive is going to work. I've had A type and J type and they have their differences but they're both difficult to break under normal driving conditions. Just drive it.

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I think that before messing with the OD I should have ready whatever I need to adjust the switches. What is it that you need? from an earlier post it is about the height, so do I need some spacers, washers, whatever?

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Hi Roger

 

Well, that's a problem, as I tend to disengage the OD to help me brake... and been doing that for 40 years...

 

Well, it's your car so you are free to use it

NOT as intended !

 

AlanR

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I think that before messing with the OD I should have ready whatever I need to adjust the switches.

What is it that you need? from an earlier post it is about the height, so do I need some spacers,

washers, whatever?

 

If anything, you will need to remove/reduce spacers, so nothing extra required.

 

AlanR

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Hi Roger

 

Well, that's a problem, as I tend to disengage the OD to help me brake... and been doing that for 40 years...

I would NOT recommand this procedure with a TR's overdrive... last time I looked brake pads were a lot cheaper than an OD rebuild...

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