oldtuckunder Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 Hi just a quick heads up to those using Millers Oils Classic High Performance 20w50 NT oil Just stocking up for this season and found that all the links I had were now pointing to something called Millers Pistoneeze Classic Sport 20w50, and that virtually nobody had the Classic High Performance 20w50 NT in stock. Bit confused I called Millers technical and was told that Classic Sport HP20w50 was the replacement and identical product. Magic, so off to order some. Even further confusion as prices from different suppliers were all over the shop, and some descriptions referred to it as a semi-synthetic whilst the Classic High Performance 20w50 NT was a fully synthetic. So called tech support at OPIE oils who I have normally purchased from to ask what was going on. Yes major confusion at the moment! Millers now supply 2 Classic Sport Oils 1) Millers Oils Pistoneeze Classic Sport HP 20W-50 2) Millers Oils Pistoneeze Classic Sport 20W-50 And to further confuse things have put both in almost identical Tins (The HP 20w50 NT used to come in Plastic) So even if you order the correct item, apparently picking the wrong item for dispatch is easy! Anyway a bit of digging shows that some suppliers are selling the Classic Sport 20w50 and describing it as a replacement for the Classic High Performance 20w50 NT "It isn't"! you need Classic Sport HP 20w50! So be careful when buying! Alan Spot the difference! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Motorsport Mickey Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 Well then Alan you broached it and then didn't clarify... Where does synthetic, semi synthetic, or non synthetic come into it with whichever of these two oils and which of them is the now preferred ? HP version. Mick Richards Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oldtuckunder Posted March 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 Ah sorry thought I had but realise not that clear To replace Millers Classic High Performance 20w50 NT you need Millers Classic Sport HP 20w50 (first tin in pictures) without the HP its a completely different product. Alan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Motorsport Mickey Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 Thanks Alan, so the Millers Classic Sport HP 20w50 is what I want for a synthetic oil ? Mick Richards Quote Link to post Share on other sites
monty Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 Yes & the 'ordinary' 20/50 Classic Sport is the semi synthetic. I used to be very pro Millers but they have hugely increased their prices, confused many people with their stupid almost identical metal cans & were very unhelpful when I requested clarification some weeks ago regarding their pricing & change from plastic to metal containers. Will probably change to a better value product in due course. Regards. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AndyR100 Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 Will probably change to a better value product in due course. Regards. I have..... https://www.classic-oils.net/Classic-Oils-Heritage-20W50 ....... Andy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Boyd Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 Yes & the 'ordinary' 20/50 Classic Sport is the semi synthetic. I used to be very pro Millers but they have hugely increased their prices, confused many people with their stupid almost identical metal cans & were very unhelpful when I requested clarification some weeks ago regarding their pricing & change from plastic to metal containers. Will probably change to a better value product in due course. Regards. Then talk to supplies who are very helpful. If I remember correctly 5ltr of classic sport is £33.00 + vat Tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 Or go to halfords Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oldtuckunder Posted March 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 Thanks Alan, so the Millers Classic Sport HP 20w50 is what I want for a synthetic oil ? Mick Richards Yes Yes & the 'ordinary' 20/50 Classic Sport is the semi synthetic. I used to be very pro Millers but they have hugely increased their prices, confused many people with their stupid almost identical metal cans & were very unhelpful when I requested clarification some weeks ago regarding their pricing & change from plastic to metal containers. Will probably change to a better value product in due course. Regards. Try phoning (not ebay, not website) OPIE oils and get price for 20Ltr, it should make you I have..... https://www.classic-oils.net/Classic-Oils-Heritage-20W50 ....... Andy Cheaper maybe, but it is only a mineral oil so its a 20 weight oil with things (that die) in it to make it try and behave as a 50 when it gets hot, so value becomes subjective! Alan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DaveN Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 Is the Zinc high enough at 1130 ppm? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AndyR100 Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 Cheaper maybe, but it is only a mineral oil so its a 20 weight oil with things (that die) in it to make it try and behave as a 50 when it gets hot, so value becomes subjective! Alan I'm more than happy to choose a mineral 20/50, particularly one that places the ZDDP numbers on the label rather than have you guess ..... Andy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
monty Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 Then talk to supplies who are very helpful. If I remember correctly 5ltr of classic sport is £33.00 + vat Tom Who are supplies? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AndyR100 Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 Who are supplies? I think that is a typo..... suspect he intended to write 'suppliers' ..... Andy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Boyd Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 Correct, iPhone typing and wine do not mix!! Yes, suppliers.... Tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 I remember in my teenage years running the TR (and everything else) on 'reclaim' oil when funds were tight. Bullfrog, the local scrappie, used to drain anything oil wise that looked less black than molasses and run it through a filter into big drums. Engine, gearbox, diff oil - it all went in. If Bullie was in a good mood, and you looked deserving, a gallon of 'reclaim' cost about as much as a pint of Duckhams . . . . . or if you were that skint, an hour's hard graft sweeping and tidying or whatever. He did 'reclaim' petrol too, but not for sale - you could only have that for grafting on really mucky tasks, but he was quite generous with it. Three hours on a Sunday morning topped up the tank for the week. Funny thing is, we never seemed to blow engines or transmissions on 'reclaim', regardless of our inability to take note of red lines on the tacho. Maybe TRs were made of sterner stuff back in the day ? Cheers, Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DaveN Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 OMG Alec .....'reclaimed oil' the scrappy at Colnbrook used to do that too! Dunno about a filter he just used to strain it through several layers of sacking into a big square tank located in the back of an old truck body. Never bought any myself but often used to go there on a Sunday afternoon looking for anything useful. As for oil ....for me it was only Duckhams Q the green stuff! Oil change once every 3k and/or any trip over 100 miles! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stillp Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Filters? Sacking? Your scrappies used to spoil you guys! Mine just used to leave it settle for a while. Pete Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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