Gary Flinn Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) A Very nice 5 up for sale on the Car And Classic auction site? I viewed this car about 18 months ago, but missed out on it at a Classic Car Auction I had the restorer send me some of the Restoration photo's, it looks to have been done to an excellent standard. I'm sure it will get snapped up by someone for a bit of Summer fun http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C844427 Edited March 7, 2017 by Gary Flinn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) How do you know that? it is your opinion. Edited March 7, 2017 by ntc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR 2100 Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) Neil, Pretty well everything posted here is opinion. Agreed that if Gary Flinn has anything to do with the sale, or any personal information, then he should have said so. AlanR Edited March 7, 2017 by TR 2100 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gary Flinn Posted March 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 A bit of confusion here I fear? I'm simply stating I viewed this car and got chance to see some of the restoration Photo's. In my opinion the car was restored to a good standard, I was all set to bid on it till two Guys who obviously wanted it more than I started a bidding war!! It was certainly one of the better cars I viewed during a 6 Month spell of searching? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marko Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) It's all about opinions, at that level I think I'd want the brake pipes done nicer than that and replace the cheap plastic relay as well as an original steering wheel It makes you wonder about the rest of the restoration if a £1.50 plastic relay is used instead of a proper 6RA one! Edited March 7, 2017 by marko Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew Smith Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 Yes, for that kind of money it needs to be right - equally importantly is a trustworthy seller.......... Cheers Andrew Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rhino_mac Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) It makes you wonder about the rest of the restoration if a £1.50 plastic relay is used instead of a proper 6RA one! It's a bit harsh to question a restoration over such a small item isn't it. Maybe the relay wasn't replaced as part of the restoration, but by the owner when the original broke? Who knows. One chap posts up what looks like a nice car, from a reputable specialist (and he's seen it in the flesh so is better placed to comment than most) yet nobody has a good word to say? Edited March 7, 2017 by rhino_mac Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pfenlon Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 I find it odd that TRGB seem to be getting a bit of stick here, I bought a TR5 from them and also sold a TR4 to them and have no complaints, they are a business, and they are in business to MAKE money or go under. The car looks a good one, and I think the price is very high ( Just an opinion of course sorry Neil ) but TR5 cars do fetch Daft money sometimes. Its the TR5 Vapours I believe. The bubble will burst as it usually does and some will do well and some won't. Be Kind to TR5 would be owners. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rhino_mac Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) The thing is, TR5's make good money. And why not, they look great, they're rare and they have a great engine. I don't see why anyone has an issue with it. E Types and Healey's make good money too - more than TR5's certainly. If someone can pay £90k for an Austin Healey (I saw several at Excel London for sale at this price), £45k for a TR5 is a bargain! And if you can't afford a TR5, buy a 4 for the looks, or a 6 for the engine. Or a 250 if you want to save a few quid but want the best of both worlds. Better still, buy a sidescreen car because they're coolest whatever anyone says! :-) I would say almost every restored car I've seen has some sort of "modification". McMuttley's TR3a looked fabulous in the pictures posted and I believe he was asking (and probably got) top money for it. And rightly so - it looked like a great car. Better than most I've seen for sale in the last couple of years. But in some of the photo's posted, the fuse box was non standard and there was a terminal strip under the dash. Does that cast doubt on the cars restoration or right to ask top money? Of course not, 99.9% of the TR's on the road will have little "touches" left by previous owners. And Marko, if a client asked you to market his TR5 for £45k (which isn't the most expensive price I've seen by a long shot) would you point out to him/her that the price should be lower because of a relay? Of course not, you'd do a nice advert that would say something exactly like the one TRGB have written. And you'd probably sell it for close to asking. Please don't take this personally. I see it all the time at car shows where someone with adenoids points out your car isn't this or isn't that. The MG Owners club local to me were bloody awful for it which was the reason I left. Actually, most people I see at car shows now I have TR3 tell me they used to own one back in the day and then proceed to tell me they binned it into a field at 3am pissed when they were 19 but that's not the point. I don't get this whole idea of beating up cars for sale. The idea that if it's for sale it should be perfect means that the entire classic car market would collapse because I have yet to see the "perfect" car. And try building a decent TR5 for that sort of money. I know how many hours went into my 3 and that wasn't even really restored as such - more like a bloody big repair. Edited March 7, 2017 by rhino_mac Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) I know the owner ( damm nice chap) and all about the car and I wish him good luck with the sale and I hope he gets some of his money back , my point is the topic title without knowing the full sp.No pms please on this. Edited March 7, 2017 by ntc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rhino_mac Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 But the OP said he had seen the car in person, had perhaps tried to buy it himself at auction, and investigated the restoration to some degree. So he sounds like he's in a good position to call it a nice car. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR5tar Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) Well, I'm no expert, as you all know, but in my opinion it's a nice model, in a nice colour, with nice wires, and a nice Surrey. Based on what I can see, if I didn't already have one that's similar, I'd want it Edited March 7, 2017 by TR5tar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 The original poster titled his contribution " Nice TR5 for Sale " And if we consider a typical current definition of the word " nice", from for example the online Oxford, we are looking at " Giving pleasure or satisfaction; pleasant or attractive. " Which doesn't seem like an inappropriate description of the car, not from where I'm sitting anyway. Yes, I too can spot the odd deficiencies, and better quality high resolution photos would doubtless reveal more capabilities of improvement - but the advertiser claims " exceptional condition " not mint or concours or whatever . . . . . and from what I can see, that's not unreasonable. Whether it's the best of all possible values for nigh on £45K is another matter entirely, but that's not the point being argued. Remarks about folks in glass houses, and those without sin, and the throwing of stones, spring to mind. Cheers, Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 Or you could do it yourself and see if you can better it for the price http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C834211 Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR5tar Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) Or you could do it yourself and see if you can better it for the price http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C834211 Stuart. It seems to me that the people who tackle this kind of thing as a DIY project cannot possibly make money if they decide to sell the finished car soon after completion. Can they? How much time would be needed to complete a project such as this one? How much would it cost for the missing parts? I am just glad that there are people out there, professional and DIYer, who want to restore these cars and have the skills and passion to do so. Darren Edited March 8, 2017 by TR5tar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 The idea that you can restore a car, or have it restored for you, and then sell the finished product at a profit . . . . is an optimistic fallacy. There are exceptions, amongst the more exotic marques, but as a generalisation an owner does not restore a car to look for a profit, it is restored simply for his own enjoyment . . . . . and that is what he is paying for. Nothing new there, it has ever been thus, except for a few brief years in the not-so-distant past when the market suffered from a 'bubble' effect as prices soared skywards before crashing back down to earth again. Cost of restoration has little, if anything, to do with resale value of the finished product. 19 times out of 20 restoration cost will way exceed resale value. Cheers Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gary Flinn Posted March 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) Some interesting comments, rest assured if I didn't already have a 5 I would be viewing this one again for sure. Maybe TR-GB will have the car displayed at the NEC Restoration show if they attend again, unless someone snaps it up prior to this show? Regards Gary Edited March 8, 2017 by Gary Flinn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marko Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 Forums are all about personal opinion and observations, some right, some wrong and some mis-informed....You know what they say "a little knowledge is dangerous" My opinion is....... For £45,000 pounds I would want an original steering wheel, the brake pipes replaced and done properly and the cheap plastic relay replaced...... The point about the relay may have been taken out of context but If somebody had fitted this as part of the restoration and thought "that's alright" then I'd certainly be looking closer at the attention to detail because whether you like it or not, the devil is in the detail to get "Top Dollar" But then again "What do I know" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carld Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 I agree Gary it looks like a nice car! What is happening to this forum! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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hman Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) No comment.!!!!!. Edited March 15, 2017 by hman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
littlejim Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 From Alex's last post I get the impression he's "been there and done that". Once you get stuck into the restoration it's not about money, it's just about the project. There's also the slightly stunned feeling when you twig that there's nothing left to do, except take it for a burn. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Bourne Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 From Alex's last post I get the impression he's "been there and done that". Once you get stuck into the restoration it's not about money, it's just about the project. There's also the slightly stunned feeling when you twig that there's nothing left to do, except take it for a burn. +101 - add obsession and dreaming about "will it fit ?" and bugger "nope it won't ! " now what do I do.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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