Noel Maule Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 I've been meaning to replace the cracked windscreen on my 4A for a year or two now. I've had an old Arva screen up in the rafters in one of my units for as long as i can remember so with this in mind, i bought a fitting kit from The TR Shop's stand at Beaulieu this September. Yesterday i removed the damaged screen and fitted the replacement. No problem at all. . . . Not untill i came to fit the plastic insert strip that is ! I've fitted many windscreens during my years in the garage and i know sometimes the inserts can be problematic or tricky but this one i have found impossible to even start. The channel in the rubber seal does not seem deep enough to locate the insert strip or the strip is to deep to fit the seal, one or the other.Either way i can not start a run on it. The two components don't seem compatible. Has anyone else experienced this at all ? Is there a good rubber and insert out there that works and is recommended by anyone please ? Many thanks. Noel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mike3739 Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 (edited) One for Stuart I am sure he will be along shortly. Edited November 20, 2016 by mike3739 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 You need KY jelly and the trim in hot water, do not thread it use a rubber mallet and tap it in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 Hi Noel, if the windscreen rubber is the same as the Moss rubber (and it will be) it will eventually fit As stated - Ky/petroleum jelly on the rubber and get he trim warmed up. I used a broad bladed screwdriver to open up the groove - insert blade and twist. get the end of the trim inserted and continue inserting and twisting. Rubber mallet to tap the trim deeper into the rubber. When it is fully in (three hours later ) do not be tempted to cut the trim to size. Leave over size ofr a month or so. And them trim leaving the max possible It really will shrink Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueTR3A-5EKT Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 You need KY jelly and the trim in hot water, do not thread it use a rubber mallet and tap it in. +1 warm it up, grease it up, then whack in carefully. Note: other water soluble lubricants are available ie Pound shop own brand Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boxofbits Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 Neat washing up liquid always seems to provide good lubrication to get the beading started. I take it you have the beading tool, though a broad flat bladed dumpy screwdriver can help get it in position initially,but you have to watch your fingers and your paintwork! Kevin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Noel Maule Posted November 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 Yes guys. Thank you for your suggestions. The problem seems to be the depth of the groove in the seal is 5mm deep and the insert strip is 7mm. No amount of effort ( and this has been considerable ) will get the strip in low enough to go under the lips. I have fitted many windscreens in my time but this one really is posing a problem. What i really wanted to know was if anyone could personally recommend a seal and insert that is known to work. I rather think the one i've bought is somehow . . er . . not quite right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
peejay4A Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 (edited) If it's the T shaped plastic trim it's meant to sit on top of the rubber seal. Unlike the old metal trim which sat within the rubber. Edited November 20, 2016 by peejay4A Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Geko Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 This seems to be a recurrent problem Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Noel Maule Posted January 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 Yes, thank you for posting this photo. That is EXACTLY my problem. The rubber seal and the insert strip are not compatible. the strip will NOT stay in place. Far too loose. Now, is it the insert or the rubber that is at fault ? Noel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 Yes, thank you for posting this photo. That is EXACTLY my problem. The rubber seal and the insert strip are not compatible. the strip will NOT stay in place. Far too loose. Now, is it the insert or the rubber that is at fault ? Noel Its the rubber, where did yours come from? Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Noel Maule Posted January 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 Hi Stuart, My rubber and insert came as a kit from The TR Shop London. I have to say though that i've never encountered problems in the past from this dealer. But this seal and insert has cost me not only money but a lot of grief and time. It certainly is not fit for purpose. Noel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 Noel It is the rubber, Moss ones seem to fit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Noel Maule Posted January 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 Yes i've been told that Neil. Thank you. I was under the impression ( like Roger ) that the TR Shop rubbers were supplied by Moss ? After all the time and trouble this has caused, i need to be sure that the next attempt will be successful. i actually ordered a new insert from Moss just out of curiosity, and to see if it cured the problem. But when it arrived, i found it to be identical to the TR one. So now i'm a little reluctant to order a new rubber from Moss too. if you see what i mean. Noel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paul J Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 For what it's worth I have just fitted my screen using Rimmers supplied rubber and plastic T strip which appears to be the same as Stefs pic. It was a very trying exercise to say the least but being a amateur screen fitter I expected no other, I had about a 1 metre section that continued to evict the trim strip, tried using soft soap but only made it worse, eventually after much screen slapping as seen on you tube the rubber seemed to settle and accept the T strip, really weird all of a sudden it went as it should. I put it down to the rubber not being correctly seated. Best of luck Paul Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR4A1965 Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 I was trying to remember the pain fitting ours was. In the end I think we put a bead of Tiber Seal in the groove in the rubber and held it all in with masking tape until it had all settle in. Pictures here: http://tr4a.weebly.com/tr4a-windscreen.html I have to say it works out well. Good luck. Whoever actually makes the products to make this job simple deserves a knighthood:-) Best Paul. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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