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Some advice please guys. I need to re-torque my head (well not my head).

To remove the rocker assembly, is it usual practice to slacken off the tappets before removing the rocker shaft?

Or is it OK to leave the tappets as they are, and progressively undo the rocker shaft pedestal nuts in turn (say half a turn or 1 turn at a time).

Thanks

Norman

 

 

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Yes but no more than a couple of revolutions a time, same when replacing, rocker shaft will accept that level of stress.

 

Mick Richards

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Thanks Mick - and may I now ask a supplementary question?

 

This will be the second re-torque since running in, and the reason is that I suspect that my original 500 mile torque down was at too low a figure.

 

Its only been a couple of hundred miles since the first re-torque and I don't see any signs of gasket blow and of course this time I will be double double checking the wrench calibration.

 

Having said that..Is there any reason anyone can think of why a second torque down is not a good idea.? Clearly I don't want to replace the gasket unnecessarily.

 

Thanks

Norman

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Nope, just ease the nuts back one flat to release any stiction (the threads deform on the studs and nuts and need realigning) and also there is a degree of torque required to overcome the friction of nut on the washers. Then having set your accurate torque wrench at 105 lb ft tighten the nuts up in one smooth movement until the torque wrench clicks off or indicates 105 (there will not be much movement over the one flat you've released them if you were anywhere near the correct torque).

 

Mick Richards

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Thanks Mick, I feel much more confident about it now.

Norman

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Don't risk it. Slacken them all right off then watch the tops of the pushrods to tell you which valves are opening. Then run through the gap setting twice.

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+1 with Pete's thoughts.

 

Mick Richards

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Hi all

A quick answer would be much appreciated

Just had my rocker assembly rebuilt by a well known specialist - does it look right to you

I think he has got it all back to front

The push rods are jammed against the openings and the tips seem to be missing the valve tops

(its not bolted down in the photo)

Regards

Stuart

 

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It can get embarrassing when you put tags like 'specialist', 'expert' etc on people.

 

When at BA I was sometimes referred to as an expert. I would always correct them and say it was my day job - slightly tongue in cheek!!

 

Everybody is allowed a mistake - except goalkeepers :P

 

Roger

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Correct we all make mistakes and it's forgivable, brain fade doing too many jobs at once etc.

 

However what can't be forgiven is when the rocker shaft was fitted after assembly ( I presume the specialist had fitted it previously ?) the miserable attempt at rocker shaft assembly is obvious and should be picked up instantly. Makes me wonder if the job hadn't been delegated to a very inexperienced junior mechanic, but even then if he was my apprentice he'd get his ear clipped for letting that get through.

 

Mick Richards

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Bit confused between the comments from Roger, Mickey and Stuart.

 

Care needs to be exercised when mentioning problems with any garage,

give them the chance to answer, perhaps, but this example is horrendous.

 

AlanR

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Hi

 

The assembly was dropped off for a rebuild and collected three weeks later (2 weeks longer than anticipated)

 

I got it home and dropped it over the studs - it was clearly wrong

 

Sometimes you doubt yourself - so I checked on the forum before I went back to the specialist

 

When I dropped it off initially I opened with the conversation starter "could you take a look at this for me please " as I placed the assembly on the bench

 

I got the reply "yes - its a rockers assembly" - so much for customer engagement!!

 

On my return I placed it on the bench again - the guy said - "back again - is there a problem"

 

"You tell me" I said "your the specialist"

 

Anyway - he couldn't - in the end I told him.

 

The explanation was that the two sets of new rockers has been labelled the wrong way round on the packaging!!!!!

 

I had previously considered myself lucky that TR Bitz were just round the corner should I require their services - now their location is irrelevant!

 

Anyway - the assembly definitely needing rebuilding (cracked and deformed pedestals, loose and damaged bushes) but the loud tick is still there

 

I have run the engine without the rocker cover - the rockers are pretty much silent - it sounds like its coming from the tappets themselves but I cant believe they would be this vocal, the distributor is also under suspicion, I have ordered a stethoscope which should help find the noise

 

Regards

 

Stuart

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Stuart - are you sure the all the rockers are properly seated in the top of each push rod "cup" - I didn't think it was possible for them not to be, but it is, as I found to my cost - it made a really noticeable " clackety" noise when running - end result was fortunately only a knackered push rod in that the cup ended up with an extra smaller cup in the side of the original one - difficult to explain but hopefully you will know what I mean.

 

I couldn't believe I made such a stupid mistake! Still we live and learn all the time!

 

Cheers

 

Rich

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Check the followers for free movement in the bores from end to end in case they are JUST sticking at one position.

 

Mick Richards

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