Flying_Demon Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Hi All, Interested in your views on the car listed below, looks good except in photo 23 it appears the left hand dashboard rail does not meet up correctly with the centre switch console? views on price of £39K? http://www.attingtonclassics.co.uk/1965-triumph-tr4/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chilliman Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 First concours car I've ever seen with the speedo and tacho fitted the wrong way round! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TR 2100 Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 You don't give any indication of your interest, whether general for comment or more specific with a view to buying. Obviously a very very nice car. The gap in the passenger side crash pad is down to the crash pad being a repro part and the switch panel being an original. If I was considering seriously buying the car, there would be many many questions I would ask, as well as going through all the photos of the restoration. It's not clear what treatment has been given to the underside. I would hope it's had sprayed stonechip with white body colour on top. If it's only paint, then I would stay clear unless it's for display purposes only. Door gaps are certainly very good - far better than original, but as it seems many repro panels have been used in the restoration, it begs the question how much filling there is on the car (and whether it's normal filler or lead filling). I wonder who has commissioned the restoration? Maybe a garage looking to make a profit or a private owner who has had a change of mind. Nothing wrong with garages making a profit but I wonder if any corners have been cut? Right now, as a fresh restoration, it looks stunning but it will never again look as good! AlanR Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 I'd be more concerned about what appears from the photos to be a significant discrepancy in the relative positioning of the offside and nearside rear wheels in their respective wheel arches . . . . and I'd also be concerned about the seemingly positive camber of the right hand front wheel as compared to the near side. Yes that's perhaps being picky, but at £39K I'd suggest a potential purchaser ought to be picky ? As for the orientation of tacho and speedo, that's rather a matter of personal choice ? Cheers Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 Reasonable car very badly let down by poor detailing. Unless you can provide details of concours wins then that claim is purely academic.(Front end is wrong and leans towards R/hand side.) Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JJC Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 As for the orientation of tacho and speedo, that's rather a matter of personal choice ? Cheers Alec There might be a reason for the tachometer swap. Following failure of speedo or tacho it might have been replaced with an earlier or later version (can't remember which). If you do that you can only get them in the orientation tacho on the left. Mine's like that for that reason and as Alec says I prefer them that way. JJC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
monty Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 Wow! These prices keep going! Quite a lot of money for a car without the Surrey I would say & what a shame to put a 4A dash into a 4. My opinion of course. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don H. Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 Obviously some use of the word "concours" with which I am unfamiliar... I'd worry most, and more than a little irrespective of price, about Alec's and Stuart's observations about alignment body-frame-suspension. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying_Demon Posted June 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 Thanks all for your comments and wise observations, I was looking to take a trip down to view but I think I'll pass for now. It appears to be a car priced at the top of the market but not quite to the standard to be expected. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tr4Tony Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 Hi Irrespective of the price, which is entirely a matter between seller and buyer to settle on there are a series of details which you ought to consider. Those are best picked up from the usual sources, inc. Bill Piggotts book on the TR4, TR4a and TR5. There look to be a number of later parts fitted to this car, some of which are cheap fixes but a number are fairly big deals if you have aspirations to own a 'concours' car. Those cars should be correct in every detail, justifying a premium over the cost of a car in excellent condition in my opinion. Notwithstanding what Alec and Stuart have said, the front of the body looks misaligned and the front LH corner appears to be lower than the right. This is not an easy fix on a car like this and likely to be a significant piece of work if the shell isn't bare (having just done one myself where the LH corner has had to be rebuilt). It's a very nice car and values of really good TR4's continue to go up as a result of demand vs supply, so perhaps it will eventually rise to its price as others have done in the last year. It's very hard to find nice TR4's and conversely there are an abundance of grufty ones (with aspirations to become rally cars especially) upon which to spend £40 or 50k. Regards Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Robert Price Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 I know the guy who rebuilt it, he is an ex race driver and has rebuilt a number of cars over the years , he does not cut corners on work to the cars he has done and it was purchased by this dealer from him. All the mechanical work and paint/body is out sourced to good professional companies. On the price I think it is mad money for a car like a TR, I know the restoration costs are high but it makes a low mileage Boxster for £12500 look a bargain and it can be used in the rain. Rob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 Hi Folks, £39K is a fair old dollop of wonga. The car in general looks very good but there are a few iffy bits. The problem with the poorly fitting centre console is probably caused by the lefthand lower crash pad - surely this should have a grab handle. Have they fitted a TR6 item ? Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Hi Folks, £39K is a fair old dollop of wonga. The car in general looks very good but there are a few iffy bits. The problem with the poorly fitting centre console is probably caused by the lefthand lower crash pad - surely this should have a grab handle. Have they fitted a TR6 item ? Roger Its the original centre switch plinth being used with repro crash pads, they arent the same section/length. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Hi Stuart, indeed. The crash pad has no grab handle. Surely such an expensive rebuild would warrant a period grab handle. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Hi Stuart, indeed. The crash pad has no grab handle. Surely such an expensive rebuild would warrant a period grab handle. Roger My original point about very poor detailing to warrant the price. Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 I'm not sure that this is a car "for the discerning collector" or whether it's concours. It looks good but all of the interior is new and doesn't look much like an original TR4 would have done (seat coverings, dashboard, steering wheel, radio blank panel for example). It's not going to feel like an original TR4 when you sit in it. I'd believe that the cost of restoration is more than they're asking for it, but that's the way it goes for most cars. Unless the car is very rare and desirable the chances of doing a decent restoration (professionally) and making any money out of it are about nil. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pfenlon Posted June 28, 2015 Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 Hi Stuart, indeed. The crash pad has no grab handle. Surely such an expensive rebuild would warrant a period grab handle. Roger BUT where would you get one from Roger, I tried and failed miserably, even asked Ian if the SDF could help in making them. If ANYONE has a good pair for sale please get in touch. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted June 28, 2015 Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 Hi Pete, good point, but that should affect the price of the car (downwards not upwards). Old tatty ones can be re-covered but there is a shortage of tatty ones. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TRnorm Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 I didn't realise that a nearside crash pad with grab handle was quite so difficult to come by. In my case I bought one off eBay perhaps a couple of years ago but the interesting thing might be that on the rear it had a label saying made in Australia! To my eye it looked attractive and was very well made, and obviously someone had spent a lot of time and trouble to make some first class tooling. Perhaps you guys already know about this, but seems a shame that if the the tooling is out there - no one can get a decent replacement. Regards Norman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ianc Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 FYI - this non-available crash pad is being investigated, but such things take time! Please be patient. Of course, cannot promise that re-manufacture will take place. Ian Cornish Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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