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Hi all,

I know this must have been covered before but i cannot find a clear answer.

 

What oil should be used in the TR6 engine (66k miles)

I am confused with all this synthetic and semi synthetic offerings from my local motor factors - must be getting old!

 

Thanks

Tony

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20/50

 

Classic oil, as only these contain ZDDP.

 

Comma Classic is OK

Also Halfords Classic

Alec is attached to Silkolube 20/50

 

Or there are the more expensive offerings from Penrite or Millers.

 

and see here

http://www.tr-regist...showtopic=27446

It's a TR3 thread, but for the TR6 the answer is the same.

 

Ivor

 

PS you can't search on 'oil' in the forum, I found this recent thread by entering ... which engine oil TR register forum... in Google

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Texaco URSA TDX 10W40

or

Texaco URSA SuperTD 15W40.

 

Yes, these are diesel oils. Because diesels have no cats the ZDDP level has not been lowered as much as petrol oils where it has almost gone completely. TR engines need ZDDP.

Advice came from USA builder of TR race-engines.

 

I shall change oil every 2000m to minimise effects of interaction of ethanol with ZDDP.

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Hi all,

I know this must have been covered before but i cannot find a clear answer.

 

What oil should be used in the TR6 engine (66k miles)

I am confused with all this synthetic and semi synthetic offerings from my local motor factors - must be getting old!

 

Thanks

Tony

 

 

Tony

at 66k stick to 20/50

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Castrol classic oils do themselves no good by not giving the spec on their site.

But according to

http://www.v8register.net/subpages/news040310ZDDPconcerns.htm

-- your Castrol has ZDDP 0.08% apparently.

The Castrol level 0.08% is low end of range given the list here:

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/engine/flat_tappet_cam_tech/photo_10.html

 

Of course there are detractors to the use of diesel oil:

http://www.zddplus.com/TechBrief6%20-%20Diesel%20Oil%20Use%20in%20Classic%20and%20High-Performance%20Gasoline%20Engines.pdf

- but they are selling a ZDDP additive.

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Hi Tony my car has just covered 105,000mls i change and flush the oil every year and use valvoline 20/50 racing spec my oil pressure is great and have had no problems at all i know its a bit pricey but so is an engine build?

hope this helps bluebob

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Blubob,

Oil pressure is not the problem with low ZDDP, its wear on the flat tappets - and cam lobes wiping themselves away. The ZDDP coats these surfaces.

Peter

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Hi Tony my car has just covered 105,000mls i change and flush the oil every year and use valvoline 20/50 racing spec my oil pressure is great and have had no problems at all i know its a bit pricey but so is an engine build?

hope this helps bluebob

 

And it has 0.13% ZDDP ( %age is for zinc)

http://www.valvoline.com/faqs/motor-oil/racing-oil/

Stay with it!

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And it has 0.13% ZDDP ( %age is for zinc)

http://www.valvoline.com/faqs/motor-oil/racing-oil/

Stay with it!

 

 

Peter

With respect,there are many points of view on this? the main problem is with the rocker not proven AFAIK elsewhere.I know of 3 main respected engine builders that advise going to semi synthetic oil after 5000 miles following an engine rebuild.You could also have a read on what the oilman has to say about it

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Neil

Tappet and cam-lobe wear are the problem (tappets aka cam followers), not the rockers.

My instinct is to stick with oil technology that was available when TR engines were designed- and that was based on many years of experience with conventional oils,which for decades had included ZDDP.

A ZDDP search reveals many,many classics with flat tappets with the same oil problem. And even on TRR forum there are reports of excessively rapid cam-lobe wear in rebuilt engines - that should not happen, and it might not be the hardening at fault...

 

If the oil companies stated what they use to protect flat tappets and cams in older engines then I would happily reconsider- because ZDDP reacts with ethanol and I presume their modern formulations are ethanol-tolerant. Meanwhile I'll stick with ZDDP-oils - and more frequent oil and filter changes.

 

Peter

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Neil

And even on TRR forum there are reports of excessively rapid cam-lobe wear in rebuilt engines - that should not happen, and it might not be the hardening at fault...

 

 

 

 

And many more Peter :( alas most do not check the hardening after the event

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Tony,

Not too much (which rules out sloshing in concentrated ZDDP additive), and not too little:

 

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1049812

 

ZDDP level is measured as phosphorus: looks from above you want no more than 0.13% and not less then 0.065%, and the ZDDP content depletes with use.

 

If only we knew what Duckham's 20-50 contained in the late '70s and '80s- I ran 200,000m on that.

 

Peter

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Of course there are detractors to the use of diesel oil:

http://www.zddplus.c...e%20Engines.pdf

- but they are selling a ZDDP additive.

 

They also point out the problems with racing oil.

Mind you, with the dodgy petrol we have to use now, tempted to tip an eggcup of Castrol R in the tank every time I fill up :P

 

What level of ZDDP should I be looking for?

 

Around 1% if you can find it.

 

Does anyone over here sell ZDDP Plus?

 

Ivor

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Ivor

More ZDDP is not better. Try giggle with "excess ZDDP"

 

More ethanol is!...

...but not in petrol.

... preferably as Merlot

Peter

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Tony

Halfords are cagey about ZDDP content - did not answer direct question:

http://answers.halfords.com/answers/4028/product/537977/questions.htm?page=2

I would avoid, and go with an oil where ZDDP (as either Zn or P) is stated.

This is the sort of data-sheet you should get:

http://www.hwpetro.com/_fileCabinet/TexacoData/URSA-Premium-TDX-15W40-pds.pdf

 

Let us know what you find!

Peter

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Neil

Tappet and cam-lobe wear are the problem (tappets aka cam followers), not the rockers.

My instinct is to stick with oil technology that was available when TR engines were designed- and that was based on many years of experience with conventional oils,which for decades had included ZDDP.

A ZDDP search reveals many,many classics with flat tappets with the same oil problem. And even on TRR forum there are reports of excessively rapid cam-lobe wear in rebuilt engines - that should not happen, and it might not be the hardening at fault...

 

If the oil companies stated what they use to protect flat tappets and cams in older engines then I would happily reconsider- because ZDDP reacts with ethanol and I presume their modern formulations are ethanol-tolerant. Meanwhile I'll stick with ZDDP-oils - and more frequent oil and filter changes.

 

Peter

 

 

Peter

It is the rocker that fails from what I have seen.The cam issues go on, try incorrect oil spiral grooves also

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I have been using Halfords classic 20/50 for about the last 5 years which equates to apprx 45,000 miles.

Various speeds (up to 80+) and long motorway journeys at elevated speeds.

Various terrains - flat, hilly, mountainous (Norfolk is a nightmare) and the RBRR 2010.

 

The engine is standard in every way except that when the engine was built in mid 90's uprated valve springs were used (probably not needed though).

 

Due to oil consumption/loss I top up apprx 0.5ltr/1000 miles.

Since using Halfords oil I have not noticed anything going on in the cam department.

 

I changed the rocker shaft last autumn as it had done 100,000+miles (the uprated valve springs may have not helped here).

 

Not very scientific but it gives me a comfy feeling.

 

Roger

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Ivor,

CastrolR in the fuel tank?- did that decades ago. It did not mix, only entered the carbs after a sharp bend when some of the pool of oil in bottom of tank was sucked up. Following cars benefited from the puff of aroma.

Apparently castor oil will dissolve in ethanol:

http://www.uoguelph.ca/plant/courses/plnt-6250/pdf/I_Malchev.pdf

(page 15)

We have just found the sole advantage of E5, E10.

Do hope FBHVC include it in their tests....

Peter

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I have been using Halfords classic 20/50 for about the last 5 years which equates to apprx 45,000 miles.

Various speeds (up to 80+) and long motorway journeys at elevated speeds.

Various terrains - flat, hilly, mountainous (Norfolk is a nightmare) and the RBRR 2010.

 

The engine is standard in every way except that when the engine was built in mid 90's uprated valve springs were used (probably not needed though).

 

Due to oil consumption/loss I top up apprx 0.5ltr/1000 miles.

Since using Halfords oil I have not noticed anything going on in the cam department.

 

I changed the rocker shaft last autumn as it had done 100,000+miles (the uprated valve springs may have not helped here).

 

Not very scientific but it gives me a comfy feeling.

 

Roger

 

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Roger

Not sure what happened there...

No worries then, that's a good mileage test.

Those pesky Norfolk hills - not long before they'll be the only bits left.

Peter

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Those pesky Norfolk hills - not long before they'll be the only bits left.

Peter

 

 

I can cope with the hills..... It's the 40/50mph speed limits in open country between the hills that I find difficult...... and the sooner they complete the dualling of the A11, the sooner we will be swamped by more grockles coming to have a look at Nelsons own.....

john

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John

Don't I know it - the coast road crawl- got family in Wells-n-t-S. A big plus here in N.Wales' are the empty roads, and hardly any grockles year round. Mind you 97RON not abundant either....

Peter

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