alan atkinson Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 (edited) Don't look here. I thought the rest of you might like to see this... It's been built to go under a TR250. Stock mounts apart from the two over the diff that have to move inboard 2" each. No flares required, and it's nice and light. Edited December 7, 2009 by alan atkinson Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stuart Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Oooer!! Stuart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 YUK keep it that side of the pond Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alan atkinson Posted December 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 I intend to - I couldn't afford to put petrol in it back there in the third world. Gordon Brown would want a kidney in exchange for a tankful. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Ouch Then do not use a third world forum Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Royal Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 (edited) Clearly a lot of work and skill has gone into that, very impressive. But Even with a Tr250 body on, its no Tr, its a Hot Rod. What else could it be... Might be better with an Mgb Body Cheers Guy Edited December 7, 2009 by Jersey Royal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alan atkinson Posted December 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 (edited) Clearly a lot of work and skill has gone into that, very impressive. But Even with a Tr250 body on, its no Tr, its a Hot Rod. Cheers Guy Then I'd argue anyone that did an engine or frame swap doesn't have a TR either. But the point is moot. It'll look superficially like a TR and it'll be registered as a TR. Better that than the scrapyard - it's going into this little gem after all. And before you chime in that it's not that bad - this is the best side. The frame has disintegrated. Edited December 7, 2009 by alan atkinson Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Guy Looks like an LS6 lump on a space frame chassis the green JD in the back ground will handle better apart from a strait line sprint Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alan atkinson Posted December 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Guy Looks like an LS6 lump on a space frame chassis the green JD in the back ground will handle better apart from a strait line sprint It's actually an LS2. And it's been built to go on the street and on road courses, not as a drag car. You'll note that it has IRS all the way round, which usually isn't found on anything that goes in a straight line. The suspension specs are the same as a C5, which is what anything that wasn't custom fabbed is based on (it's dead reliable and replacement parts are fairly cheap over here). There was rather a lot of time and trouble spent on modelling software to make sure it all works right. Packaging it so it fits under the stock shell was the biggest challenge - the front is tight. But then of course you'd know better, right? It's American so it doesn't go round corners... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bald Rick Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Well I'm all in favour, It's an excellent piece of work. Nothing wrong with sacrificing the odd sacred cow. I'll get my (tin) hat Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 But then of course you'd know better, right? It's American so it doesn't go round corners... Correct Mr Admin of 6Pack Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alan atkinson Posted December 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Then I can only defer to your greater experience with American automobiles. I'll be sure to make out a will before I climb into it and venture anywhere near the first bend. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Then I can only defer to your greater experience with American automobiles. I'll be sure to make out a will before I climb into it and venture anywhere near the first bend. Sound's like a good plan Alan, all the best with it and take care Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alec Pringle Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 OK, so I'm prejudiced - I like big grunters, hotrods and V8s. This device looks not dissimilar in chassis concept to a number of sports racing chassis from the late 60s. Nothing strikes me as obviously awry from the pics. Ideally, perhaps, the engine might go back a couple or three inches, from a weight distribution point of view, but then that's probably limited by the bodyshell ? IRS ought to facilitate reasonable ride as well as roadholding. The LS2 is a good enough lump. So this is a TR250 rod utilising a period sort of a race chassis, and probably a damn sight more effective chassis that anything Canley ever produced. What exactly is the problem . . . . or am I missing something ? Cheers, Alec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RogerH Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Hi Alan, I think it is brilliant. It may not be a total TR but how many are still original. The spirit is there and you have a chassis that won't spring and bounce about and go rusty by next week. Roger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kiwifrog Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Personally I like hotrods and TR's so this would be the ideal car for me, shame I copuld never get it registered in france, could be a good excuse to move stateside Nice looking piece of kit Alan Cheers Alan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alan atkinson Posted December 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 (edited) This device looks not dissimilar in chassis concept to a number of sports racing chassis from the late 60s. Nothing strikes me as obviously awry from the pics. Ideally, perhaps, the engine might go back a couple or three inches, from a weight distribution point of view, but then that's probably limited by the bodyshell ? It's got to fit. The front of this engine is over 3" back from the front of the stock 6 engine without cutting any of the shell up. The shifter still has to be relocated forward - but you can do that on a T56 without too much drama. I'm using the battery tray for the air conditioning servo, so that goes in the trunk - the rear needs some weight in there desperately. My fat ass will move the distribution backwards quite a bit though A couple of points that aren't apparent from the pictures. There's almost 1.5" more suspension travel here than on a stock 6, and there's a rather impressive amount of ground clearance compared to stock. My 6 is lowered and this thing looks like a truck in comparison right now. The other thing is that its light. Really light. All up, with the surrey in place it should be right around 2000lbs. The engine and tranny combo is within 30lbs of the stock TR with an o/d box, but tuned is good for 450+hp with those headers. It's not going to please everyone (or anyone except me perhaps). The plan is to finish it so it looks similar to the Shell rally cars. Not as similar as 7VC, but superficially so at least. And like I said before, it's got to be better than it going to the scrapyard, which is all the shell was fit for - NOS panels all round are not cheap... Edited December 7, 2009 by alan atkinson Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 (edited) What exactly is the problem . . . . or am I missing something ? Cheers, Alec I will leave this one for you Alec I live in the third world and know bugger all Edited December 7, 2009 by ntc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Royal Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 I will leave this one for you Alec I live in the third world and know bugger all Well said Neil, Could not agree more. Third world country!! Lets not go down that route Cheers Guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alan atkinson Posted December 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 I will leave this one for you Alec I live in the third world and know bugger all Someone needs to go back and watch some more Monty Python. Perhaps then they'd understand the reference and not get all sulky. Or are you perchance Gordon Brown in disguise? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerrytr5 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Don't quite understand some of the negative comments in this thread. I reckon it will be fantastic. Have you got any photos of the rear suspension setup? I'm just designing a double wishbone setup for a Spitfire chassis (which has even less room to play with than the TR). Jerry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
88V8 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 OK, so I'm prejudiced - I like big grunters, hotrods and V8s. What exactly is the problem . . . . or am I missing something ? So do I, and there is no problem. Except that it seems to suffer from electronic fuel injection yuk, and perhaps the tyres - personally I don't like low-profiles on a classic car. But all that power in such a small shell, lovely. When you're tired of it and need the space for your next project, let me know. Ivor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tthomson Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 It's been built to go under a TR250. To hell with the purists! I think it looks great and I wish you the best of good fortune in it. If it makes people sit up and notice TRs it can only be a good thing. TT Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alan atkinson Posted December 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 (edited) Don't quite understand some of the negative comments in this thread. I reckon it will be fantastic. Have you got any photos of the rear suspension setup? I'm just designing a double wishbone setup for a Spitfire chassis (which has even less room to play with than the TR). Jerry There's this one - but the swaybar isn't right. I'm having a narrower one made. Or this I have a few others. pm me if you want/need copies. The differential is an LSD from an 05 Pontiac GTO (It'll be a Holden something over there probably). It's the same size as an R200, except it's 1" narrower stub axle:stub axle. The benefit (for me) is that they are $100 each second hand, and there's any number of ratios available for pocket change. One other interesting point. While they are low profile tires, I kinda like the way they look (the wheels are a different matter - I want some sort of minilite clone). What's interesting is that while they are from a 2004 sportscar, the rolling diameter is within 0.1" of that of those on a stock TR6. Edited December 7, 2009 by alan atkinson Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ntc Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Someone needs to go back and watch some more Monty Python. Perhaps then they'd understand the reference and not get all sulky. Or are you perchance Gordon Brown in disguise? The opposite, that may surprise you Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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